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Building a sensible monitoring schedule with your prescriber posts 91–109

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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b.oseiTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#91
diluent_watch, post #10: This follows post #7 rather than contradicting it. Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone. Go to post

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin22 Dec 2024#92

I read post #90 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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b.demirTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#93

post #92 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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s.bruunTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#94

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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r.serranoTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#95
s.grimaldi, post #1: Building a sensible monitoring schedule with your prescriber — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise. I have a panel in front of me… Go to post

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist22 Dec 2024#96

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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k.dahlbergTL2 Moderator22 Dec 2024#97

post #96 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator22 Dec 2024#98
j.erdogan, post #76: Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same. Go to post
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On post #94 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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cannula_driftTL3Regular22 Dec 2024 · edited#99
peak_purity, post #31: post #30 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit. Go to post

This follows post #96 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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h.amankwahTL2 Moderator23 Dec 2024#100

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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sterile_fileTL3Regular23 Dec 2024 · edited#101

Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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l.cabreraTL2 Moderator23 Dec 2024#102

I read post #100 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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FairweatherTL2Member23 Dec 2024#103

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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ka.batistaTL2 Moderator23 Dec 2024#104
h.amankwah, post #100: Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results. Go to post

Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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vial_tableTL2Member23 Dec 2024#105
cannula_trace, post #20: Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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d.vestergaardTL2 Moderator23 Dec 2024#106

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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integrator_logTL3Regular23 Dec 2024#107

post #106 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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s.salgadoTL2 Moderator23 Dec 2024#108
a.reyes, post #92: I read post #90 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is… Go to post

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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v.klausenTL3Regular23 Dec 2024#109
j.sandvik, post #55: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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