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Building a sensible monitoring schedule with your prescriber posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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peak_purityTL3Analytical chemist19 Dec 2024#31

post #30 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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no.silvaTL2 Moderator19 Dec 2024#32
diluent_watch, post #10: This follows post #7 rather than contradicting it. Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone. Go to post

On post #28 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner19 Dec 2024#33

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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r.mensaTL2 Moderator19 Dec 2024 · edited#34

Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin19 Dec 2024#35

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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c.boatengTL2 Moderator19 Dec 2024#36
v.kjaer, post #7: Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #32 runs together.

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator19 Dec 2024#37
s.vukovic, post #15: A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit. Go to post
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Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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s.dialloTL2 Moderator19 Dec 2024#38

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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p.marchettiTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024 · edited#39

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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l.solbergTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#40

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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a.hartmannTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#41

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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excursion_checkTL3Regular20 Dec 2024#42

post #41 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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b.restrepoTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#43
citation_peak, post #26: Picking up post #23: that is the part I would want checked first. Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function. Go to post

Coming back to post #41, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular20 Dec 2024#44
n.cabrera, post #17: post #16 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem. Go to post

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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t.abubakarTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#45

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular20 Dec 2024 · edited#46

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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m.achebeTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#47

I read post #45 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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v.krastevTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#48
dietitian_hollis, post #14: Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial. Go to post

This follows post #45 rather than contradicting it.

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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t.tullochTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#49

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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BBramleyTL3Regular20 Dec 2024#50

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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an.zamoraTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#51

Picking up post #48: that is the part I would want checked first.

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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p.trevinoTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#53

Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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RodriguesTL3Regular20 Dec 2024#54

Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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j.sandvikTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#55

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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HadjipaterasTL1Member20 Dec 2024#56
buffer_margin, post #44: Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone. Go to post

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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y.adeyemiTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#57

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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a.thorneTL2Wiki editor21 Dec 2024 · edited#58

Worth separating two things that post #54 runs together.

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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p.lindqvistTL221 Dec 2024#59
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e.kjeldsenTL2Member21 Dec 2024#60
p.trevino, post #53: Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal. Go to post

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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