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Coming back to: An 18-month record including the parts that went badly

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Solved by an.kirchner in post #2
On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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s.vanheckeTL2 Moderator15 Dec 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: An 18-month record including the parts that went badly Everything below is what sits behind that.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 68 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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an.kirchnerTL2 Moderator Solution22 Dec 2024 · edited#2

On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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RidgewayTL3Regular27 Dec 2024#3

Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first.

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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z.adeyemiTL2 Moderator1 Jan 2025#4
an.kirchner, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise. Go to post

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

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cohort_notesTL2Member5 Jan 2025#5

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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s.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator9 Jan 2025#6

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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gradient_fileTL2Member13 Jan 2025#7

This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it.

Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record.

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f.espinozaTL2 Moderator16 Jan 2025#8
Ridgeway, post #3: Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first. Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise. Go to post

I read post #6 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results.

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WoodhouseTL2Member20 Jan 2025#9

post #8 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling.

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z.vogelTL2 Moderator23 Jan 2025#10

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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d.tammTL2 Moderator26 Jan 2025#11
f.espinoza, post #8: I read post #6 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results. Go to post

Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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a.zamoraTL2 Moderator30 Jan 2025#12
s.kravchenko, post #6: Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable. Go to post

Picking up post #9: that is the part I would want checked first.

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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c.silvaTL2 Moderator2 Feb 2025#13

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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r.girardTL2 Moderator5 Feb 2025#14

Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin8 Feb 2025#15

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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a.novakTL2 Moderator11 Feb 2025#16
gradient_file, post #7: This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it. Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record. Go to post

This follows post #13 rather than contradicting it.

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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a.adebayoTL2 Moderator14 Feb 2025 · edited#17

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

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b.fonsecaTL2 Moderator17 Feb 2025#18

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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lc_gradientTL3Analytical chemist20 Feb 2025#19

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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r.zielinskiTL2 Moderator23 Feb 2025#20
s.kravchenko, post #6: Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable. Go to post

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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unit_conversionTL3Regular26 Feb 2025#21
c.silva, post #13: Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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z.cardosoTL2 Moderator1 Mar 2025#22
lc_gradient, post #19: Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable. Go to post

Coming back to post #20, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record.

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q.zhao_qaTL3Quality assurance3 Mar 2025#23

post #22 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results.

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i.lehtinenTL2 Moderator6 Mar 2025 · edited#24

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis9 Mar 2025#25
c.silva, post #13: Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses. Go to post

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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s.antonsenTL2 Moderator11 Mar 2025#26

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

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blank_injectionTL2Analytical chemist14 Mar 2025#27

post #26 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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n.villalobosTL2 Moderator17 Mar 2025#28

Worth separating two things that post #24 runs together.

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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citation_peakTL3Regular19 Mar 2025#29

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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a.cabreraTL2 Moderator22 Mar 2025 · edited#30
Ridgeway, post #3: Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first. Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise. Go to post

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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