The Peptide CommonsEst. May 2024
Independent. We sell nothing and are affiliated with no manufacturer or pharmacy. Every moderation action is logged in public
Documentation · Doc review

Coming back to: Recording a dissent on a document rather than suppressing it

JD
j.delacroixTL3Regular19 Oct 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Recording a dissent on a document rather than suppressing it Everything below is what sits behind that.

Process question about how this site works.

I have read the guidelines and the trust-level page and I still have a question about the mechanism rather than the rule. Specifically, I would like to understand the reasoning behind it, because I suspect the reasoning is better than the rule sounds.

Not a complaint. If the answer is "because of a failure mode you have not seen yet", I would like to hear about the failure mode.

1 like 21mo
Z
ZieglerTL3Regular26 Oct 2024#2

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

New maintainer recruitment: if a page's maintainer is inactive and updates are needed, suggesting a new maintainer here can help transition responsibility.

4 likes 21mo
GV
g.verhoevenTL2 Moderator1 Nov 2024#3

This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it.

Fact-checking: if you see a factual claim in a maintained page that you have evidence contradicts, post the evidence here. The maintainer will review and correct if you are right.

18 likes 21mo
RS
r.scholtenTL2Member5 Nov 2024#4

Citation checking: if a maintained page cites a paper, the citation should match what the paper actually says. If you notice a mismatch, post it here.

0 likes 21mo
CV
ca.vermeulenTL2 Moderator10 Nov 2024#5

post #4 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

1 like 21mo
GL
glossary_lineTL1Member14 Nov 2024#6
r.scholten, post #4: Citation checking: if a maintained page cites a paper, the citation should match what the paper actually says. If you notice a mismatch, post it here. Go to post

On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Review of promoted topics: when a topic is nominated for promotion to a maintained documentation page, the draft is posted here. Community review happens before promotion. Objections are welcome.

7 likes in reply to #4 20mo
ZV
z.vogelTL2 Moderator18 Nov 2024#7
glossary_line, post #6: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Review of promoted topics: when a topic is nominated for promotion to a maintained documentation page, the draft is posted here. Community review happens before promotion. Objections are welcome. Go to post

Interdependencies: if updating one page requires updating related pages, posting that connection here helps the maintainers see the scope of work.

25 likes in reply to #6 20mo
DW
diluent_watchTL2Member22 Nov 2024#8

Evidence synthesis requests: if you think a page should summarise the state of evidence on a question, and you think the information exists but is scattered, suggest how it could be brought together.

0 likes 20mo
ZA
z.adeyemiTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#9
j.delacroix, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Recording a dissent on a document rather than suppressing it Everything below is what sits behind that. Process question about how this site works. I have read the guidelines and the trust-level page and I still have a question about the mechanism rather than the rule. Specifically, I would… Go to post

post #8 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Multilingual versions: if a maintained page should exist in another language, suggesting it here with your willingness to help translate can make it happen.

4 likes in reply to #1 20mo
EL
endpoint_lineTL3Regular29 Nov 2024#10
g.verhoeven, post #3: This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it. Fact-checking: if you see a factual claim in a maintained page that you have evidence contradicts, post the evidence here. The maintainer will review and correct if you are right. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

12 likes in reply to #3 20mo
ST
slow_titratorTL2Regular3 Dec 2024#11
diluent_watch, post #8: Evidence synthesis requests: if you think a page should summarise the state of evidence on a question, and you think the information exists but is scattered, suggest how it could be brought together. Go to post

I read post #9 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Review date disputes: if a maintained page's review date is approaching and it has not been updated, post a note so the maintainers notice.

0 likes in reply to #8 20mo
TK
t.karlsenTL26 Dec 2024#12
WN
w.novakTL3Regular9 Dec 2024#13

Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made to a page, discuss it here. The goal is accuracy and clarity, not authorship.

19 likes 20mo
YA
y.asanteTL2 Moderator13 Dec 2024#14

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

8 likes 19mo
JW
journalclub_wrenTL3Regular16 Dec 2024#15
t.karlsen, post #12: This follows post #9 rather than contradicting it. Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made to a page, discuss it here. The goal is accuracy and clarity, not authorship. Go to post

Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

2 likes in reply to #12 19mo
RF
ro.friskTL2 Moderator19 Dec 2024#16

Interdependencies: if updating one page requires updating related pages, posting that connection here helps the maintainers see the scope of work.

0 likes 19mo
DS
dr_seongTL3Physician22 Dec 2024#17

New maintainer recruitment: if a page's maintainer is inactive and updates are needed, suggesting a new maintainer here can help transition responsibility.

26 likes 19mo
PM
p.mwangiTL2 Moderator25 Dec 2024#18
g.verhoeven, post #3: This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it. Fact-checking: if you see a factual claim in a maintained page that you have evidence contradicts, post the evidence here. The maintainer will review and correct if you are right. Go to post

post #17 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Promoted topic withdrawal: if a promoted topic becomes outdated or inaccurate and the maintainer does not update, requesting withdrawal is appropriate.

13 likes in reply to #3 19mo
BS
buffer_sheetTL3Regular28 Dec 2024#19

Fact-checking: if you see a factual claim in a maintained page that you have evidence contradicts, post the evidence here. The maintainer will review and correct if you are right.

4 likes 19mo
BW
b.wikstromTL2 Moderator31 Dec 2024#20

Review date disputes: if a maintained page's review date is approaching and it has not been updated, post a note so the maintainers notice.

0 likes 19mo
D
DSakamotoTL3Regular3 Jan 2025 · edited#21
w.novak, post #13: Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made to a page, discuss it here. The goal is accuracy and clarity, not authorship. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

33 likes in reply to #13 19mo
EK
ew.kuuselaTL2 Moderator6 Jan 2025#22
buffer_sheet, post #19: Fact-checking: if you see a factual claim in a maintained page that you have evidence contradicts, post the evidence here. The maintainer will review and correct if you are right. Go to post

Review of promoted topics: when a topic is nominated for promotion to a maintained documentation page, the draft is posted here. Community review happens before promotion. Objections are welcome.

0 likes in reply to #19 19mo
SS
s.stavrianosTL2Member9 Jan 2025#23

Evidence synthesis requests: if you think a page should summarise the state of evidence on a question, and you think the information exists but is scattered, suggest how it could be brought together.

7 likes 19mo
AV
a.villalobosTL2 Moderator12 Jan 2025#24

Worth separating two things that post #20 runs together.

Multilingual versions: if a maintained page should exist in another language, suggesting it here with your willingness to help translate can make it happen.

17 likes 18mo
KB
k.bettencourtTL2Member15 Jan 2025#25

Citation checking: if a maintained page cites a paper, the citation should match what the paper actually says. If you notice a mismatch, post it here.

0 likes 18mo
AC
a.coelhoTL2 Moderator18 Jan 2025#26
k.bettencourt, post #25: Citation checking: if a maintained page cites a paper, the citation should match what the paper actually says. If you notice a mismatch, post it here. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

1 like in reply to #25 18mo
BT
baseline_tableTL2Member21 Jan 2025#27

post #26 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Review date disputes: if a maintained page's review date is approaching and it has not been updated, post a note so the maintainers notice.

11 likes 18mo
TB
t.brandtTL2 Moderator24 Jan 2025#28

On post #24 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made to a page, discuss it here. The goal is accuracy and clarity, not authorship.

23 likes 18mo
N
NicolaidesTL3Regular26 Jan 2025#29
a.villalobos, post #24: Worth separating two things that post #20 runs together. Multilingual versions: if a maintained page should exist in another language, suggesting it here with your willingness to help translate can make it happen. Go to post

Fact-checking: if you see a factual claim in a maintained page that you have evidence contradicts, post the evidence here. The maintainer will review and correct if you are right.

18 likes in reply to #24 18mo
FP
f.piresTL2 Moderator29 Jan 2025 · edited#30

I read post #28 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Citation checking: if a maintained page cites a paper, the citation should match what the paper actually says. If you notice a mismatch, post it here.

0 likes 18mo