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Follow-up: Oral contraceptives and delayed emptying: what the data shows

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k.marchandTL2 Moderator24 May 2024#1

Oral contraceptives and delayed emptying: what the data shows — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Reporting something rather than asking about it, in case the pattern is useful to anyone else.

Over 23 weeks I logged this consistently: date, dose, time of day, and a simple severity score from 0 to 4 for each symptom. That is 93 data points, all self-reported, all unblinded, and collected by someone who knew what he expected to find. Treat it accordingly.

The reason I am posting is that my experience does not match the shape people usually describe here, and I would like to know whether that is unusual or whether the usual description is just the loudest version.

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ppm_errorTL3Analytical chemist8 Jun 2024#2

Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well.

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h.bakkerTL2 Moderator18 Jun 2024#3
ppm_error, post #2: Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well. Go to post

Metformin: commonly co-administered and relevant to gastrointestinal tolerability. Gastrointestinal side effects can overlap and additive. Taking them separately or adjusting one if tolerability is poor are reasonable approaches.

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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist28 Jun 2024#4

post #3 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Insulin interaction: semaglutide and tirzepatide are not contraindicated with insulin but the combination carries hypoglycemia risk if insulin doses are not adjusted. That is a reason for close monitoring, not for avoiding the combination.

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r.lundgrenTL2 Moderator6 Jul 2024#5

I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Separation timing versus clinically important interaction: a separation timing inconvenience (taking one medication 2 hours before or after another) is not the same as a clinically important interaction. Both can reduce absorption of one or the other, but only true interactions require active management.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular15 Jul 2024 · edited#6

Anticoagulants: no direct interaction with the compounds in this class. Weight loss and body composition changes might affect the clearance or effect of warfarin if you are on it; monitoring INR more frequently during weight loss is reasonable.

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n.cardosoTL2 Moderator22 Jul 2024#7
k.marchand, post #1: Oral contraceptives and delayed emptying: what the data shows — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Reporting something rather than asking about it, in case the pattern is useful to anyone else. Over 23 weeks I logged this consistently: date, dose, time of day, and a simple severity score from 0 to 4 for… Go to post

Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction.

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis30 Jul 2024#8
n.cardoso, post #7: Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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a.kowalskiTL2 Moderator6 Aug 2024 · edited#9

Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this.

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b.adeyemiTL2 Moderator13 Aug 2024#10
ppm_error, post #2: Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well. Go to post

Picking up post #7: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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SHermansenTL2Member20 Aug 2024#11

SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern.

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k.ogunleyeTL2 Moderator27 Aug 2024#12

Supplements and herbs: many have no established interaction. Some do. If you are taking something unusual, checking a reference (like a pharmacist) is more useful than guessing from forum discussion.

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RodriguesTL3Regular3 Sep 2024#13
m.strand_rph, post #4: post #3 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Insulin interaction: semaglutide and tirzepatide are not contraindicated with insulin but the combination carries hypoglycemia risk if insulin doses are not adjusted. That is a reason for close monitoring, not for avoiding the combination. Go to post

Alcohol: no absolute contraindication but it raises gastrointestinal irritation risk and this drug class already does that. The conservative position during titration is to limit it.

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an.zamoraTL2 Moderator9 Sep 2024#14
n.cardoso, post #7: Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction. Go to post

On post #10 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Thyroid medications: semaglutide is associated with a slowing of gastric emptying, which might affect thyroid medication absorption if they are taken very close together. Separating them by a few hours is the conservative approach.

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FConsidineTL1Member16 Sep 2024#15

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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e.bakkenTL2 Moderator22 Sep 2024#16

Metformin: commonly co-administered and relevant to gastrointestinal tolerability. Gastrointestinal side effects can overlap and additive. Taking them separately or adjusting one if tolerability is poor are reasonable approaches.

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a.thorneTL2Wiki editor28 Sep 2024#17

post #16 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well.

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j.sandvikTL2 Moderator4 Oct 2024 · edited#18
SHermansen, post #11: SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #14 runs together.

Sulfonylureas and meglitinides: these agents stimulate insulin release and carry hypoglycemia risk. Combining them with semaglutide or tirzepatide requires dose adjustment of the secretagogue and close monitoring. The combination is not contraindicated but requires active management.

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j.rasmussenTL2Regular11 Oct 2024 · edited#19
a.thorne, post #17: post #16 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well. Go to post

Picking up post #16: that is the part I would want checked first.

Insulin interaction: semaglutide and tirzepatide are not contraindicated with insulin but the combination carries hypoglycemia risk if insulin doses are not adjusted. That is a reason for close monitoring, not for avoiding the combination.

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y.adeyemiTL2 Moderator17 Oct 2024#20

Coming back to post #18, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician22 Oct 2024#21

Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction.

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e.iyerTL2 Moderator28 Oct 2024#22

Thyroid medications: semaglutide is associated with a slowing of gastric emptying, which might affect thyroid medication absorption if they are taken very close together. Separating them by a few hours is the conservative approach.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist3 Nov 2024#23

On post #19 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Separation timing versus clinically important interaction: a separation timing inconvenience (taking one medication 2 hours before or after another) is not the same as a clinically important interaction. Both can reduce absorption of one or the other, but only true interactions require active management.

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n.silvaTL2 Moderator9 Nov 2024#24
y.adeyemi, post #20: Coming back to post #18, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular15 Nov 2024#25

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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r.bruunTL2 Moderator20 Nov 2024 · edited#26

This follows post #23 rather than contradicting it.

Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular26 Nov 2024#27

SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern.

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ch.correiaTL2 Moderator1 Dec 2024#28
r.bruun, post #26: This follows post #23 rather than contradicting it. Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this. Go to post

Supplements and herbs: many have no established interaction. Some do. If you are taking something unusual, checking a reference (like a pharmacist) is more useful than guessing from forum discussion.

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k.radichTL2 Moderator7 Dec 2024#29
a.kowalski, post #9: Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this. Go to post

Coming back to post #27, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Alcohol: no absolute contraindication but it raises gastrointestinal irritation risk and this drug class already does that. The conservative position during titration is to limit it.

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h.mbekiTL2 Moderator12 Dec 2024#30

Picking up post #27: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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