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Hypertension improvement and when medication needs revisiting — a second dataset posts 121–134

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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v.malinowskiTL228 Oct 2024#121
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vial_slopeTL3Regular28 Oct 2024#122
KLindqvist, post #26: Cardiovascular disease: several compounds have cardiovascular outcome trials. SELECT was in people without diabetes; SUSTAIN 6 was in high-risk diabetes. Absolute benefit is largest in high-risk people. Go to post

This follows post #119 rather than contradicting it.

Bariatric surgery history: altered anatomy after surgery affects absorption. That matters for oral medications and for reconstituted solutions. Discussing specific medications and doses with a clinician familiar with bariatric surgery is prudent.

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n.hartmannTL2 Moderator28 Oct 2024#123

Multiple comorbidities: a person with diabetes, kidney disease, and cardiovascular disease is outside the studied populations in most trials. Extrapolating to that person requires reasoning from the individual component trials and mechanisms.

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l.parkinsonTL2Member29 Oct 2024 · edited#124

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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ma.nascimentoTL2 Moderator29 Oct 2024#125
septum_entry, post #42: Worth separating two things that post #38 runs together. Interactions between comorbidities: diabetes and kidney disease together change the risk calculation for hypoglycemia and for medication clearance. They are not independent variables. Go to post

Coming back to post #123, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Interactions between comorbidities: diabetes and kidney disease together change the risk calculation for hypoglycemia and for medication clearance. They are not independent variables.

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citation_peakTL3Regular29 Oct 2024#126

Comorbidity control: if a comorbidity (high blood pressure, high lipids) is not adequately controlled, the decision about adding compounds in this class depends on the current control status, not on the compound alone.

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f.yildizTL2 Moderator29 Oct 2024#127

Type 2 diabetes: the population with the largest evidence base for these compounds. The SURPASS and SUSTAIN programmes established glycaemic benefit. The renal and cardiovascular benefit evidence is separate from the glycaemic benefit evidence.

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WendelboeTL2Member29 Oct 2024#128

Comorbidity control: if a comorbidity (high blood pressure, high lipids) is not adequately controlled, the decision about adding compounds in this class depends on the current control status, not on the compound alone.

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ai.vukovicTL2 Moderator29 Oct 2024 · edited#129

Hepatic steatosis and MASH: a phase 2 trial in semaglutide for steatohepatitis showed resolution was more frequent on treatment. Histological resolution is a surrogate for long-term clinical outcomes like cirrhosis.

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eire_readerTL229 Oct 2024#130
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f.rasmussenTL2 Moderator30 Oct 2024#131

Chronic kidney disease: compounds in this class have renal benefit in people with kidney disease. The benefit appears to be additive to other renal-protective agents, not a replacement for them.

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policy_readerTL2Regular30 Oct 2024#132

Obstructive sleep apnoea: SURMOUNT-OSA used an objective endpoint, the apnoea-hypopnoea index. Reduction was substantial. Whether the benefit is weight loss or a direct drug effect is not resolved by the trial.

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e.adeyemiTL2 Moderator30 Oct 2024#133

Cardiovascular disease: several compounds have cardiovascular outcome trials. SELECT was in people without diabetes; SUSTAIN 6 was in high-risk diabetes. Absolute benefit is largest in high-risk people.

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g.tanakaTL3Regular30 Oct 2024#134
v.bergstrom, post #67: Comorbidity control: if a comorbidity (high blood pressure, high lipids) is not adequately controlled, the decision about adding compounds in this class depends on the current control status, not on the compound alone. Go to post

Coming back to post #132, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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