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Protein density versus volume when you cannot eat much

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ew.kuuselaTL2 Moderator20 Jan 2025#1

On the subject in the title: Protein density versus volume when you cannot eat much Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 53 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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n.nakamuraTL2 Moderator21 Jan 2025#2

Coming back to the opening post, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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BramleyTL2Member21 Jan 2025#3

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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n.dziedzicTL2 Moderator22 Jan 2025#4
n.nakamura, post #2: Coming back to the opening post, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a… Go to post

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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cohort_driftTL3Regular22 Jan 2025#5
n.dziedzic, post #4: Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction. Go to post

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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r.chukwuTL2 Moderator22 Jan 2025#6

I read post #4 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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isotonic_driftTL1Member22 Jan 2025#7

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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s.okonkwoTL2 Moderator23 Jan 2025#8

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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z.yildizTL2 Moderator23 Jan 2025#9

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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v.fontaineTL2 Moderator23 Jan 2025#10

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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s.dialloTL2 Moderator24 Jan 2025 · edited#11

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator24 Jan 2025#12
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post #11 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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j.erdoganTL2 Moderator24 Jan 2025#13
Bramley, post #3: Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point. Go to post

Coming back to post #11, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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peak_purityTL3Analytical chemist24 Jan 2025#14
j.erdogan, post #13: Coming back to post #11, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most. Go to post

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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g.rasmussenTL2 Moderator25 Jan 2025#15

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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e.verhoevenTL2 Moderator25 Jan 2025#16

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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m.onwukaTL2 Moderator25 Jan 2025#17
n.nakamura, post #2: Coming back to the opening post, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a… Go to post

I read post #15 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin25 Jan 2025#18
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This follows post #15 rather than contradicting it.

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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m.kjaerTL2 Moderator26 Jan 2025#19
m.onwuka, post #17: I read post #15 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter. Go to post

On post #15 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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priorauth_notesTL2Regular26 Jan 2025 · edited#20
peak_purity, post #14: Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help. Go to post

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin26 Jan 2025#21
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Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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k.dahlbergTL2 Moderator26 Jan 2025#22

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator26 Jan 2025#23
ew.kuusela, post #1: On the subject in the title: Protein density versus volume when you cannot eat much Working notes rather than a conclusion. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 53 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

This follows post #20 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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r.serranoTL2 Moderator27 Jan 2025#24

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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a.lindholmTL2 Moderator27 Jan 2025#25

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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b.demirTL2 Moderator27 Jan 2025#26

On post #22 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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s.bruunTL2 Moderator27 Jan 2025 · edited#27
n.dziedzic, post #4: Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction. Go to post

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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b.oseiTL2 Moderator28 Jan 2025#28

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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h.amankwahTL2 Moderator28 Jan 2025#29

post #28 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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BGiordanoTL2Member28 Jan 2025#30
ew.kuusela, post #1: On the subject in the title: Protein density versus volume when you cannot eat much Working notes rather than a conclusion. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 53 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #26 runs together.

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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