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Type 1 diabetes: off-label use and the evidence gap — what changed since posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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a.friskTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#31

post #30 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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p.mbekiTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#32
h.koodziej, post #29: Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists. Go to post

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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n.moreauTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#33

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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j.steinerTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#34

I read post #32 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin22 Nov 2024#35
a.wikstrom, post #27: Worth separating two things that post #23 runs together. Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention. Go to post

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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m.brobergTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024 · edited#36
s.ostergaard, post #1: Type 1 diabetes: off-label use and the evidence gap — what changed since — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Asking about a population rather than about a person. The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside… Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator22 Nov 2024#37
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Picking up post #34: that is the part I would want checked first.

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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m.ibarraTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#38

Coming back to post #36, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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a.cardosoTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#39
logbook_erin, post #18: Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data. Go to post

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular22 Nov 2024 · edited#40

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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s.ivaturiTL2 Moderator23 Nov 2024#41
c.ramos, post #21: Coming back to post #19, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #37 runs together.

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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k.redgraveTL223 Nov 2024#42
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ma.nascimentoTL2 Moderator23 Nov 2024#43

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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citation_peakTL3Regular23 Nov 2024#44
p.mbeki, post #32: Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications. Go to post

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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f.haddadTL2 Moderator23 Nov 2024#45

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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p.novotnyTL2Regular23 Nov 2024#46

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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z.szaboTL2 Moderator23 Nov 2024#47

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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eire_readerTL2Regional · IE23 Nov 2024 · edited#48
buffer_review, post #40: Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention. Go to post

Picking up post #45: that is the part I would want checked first.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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i.lehtinenTL223 Nov 2024#49
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q.zhao_qaTL3Quality assurance23 Nov 2024#50
nl_translator, post #4: Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance. Go to post

post #49 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent.

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r.zielinskiTL2 Moderator23 Nov 2024#51
n.moreau, post #33: Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance. Go to post

This follows post #48 rather than contradicting it.

Pregnancy and planning: these compounds are not approved for use in pregnancy. Planning windows (how long to wait before attempting pregnancy) are not formally established. Conservative approaches wait several months to allow clearance.

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lc_gradientTL3Analytical chemist24 Nov 2024#52

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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c.boatengTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#53

Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large fraction of many medications.

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r.aldana_pharmdTL4Pharmacist24 Nov 2024#54

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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r.mensaTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#55
h.koodziej, post #29: Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists. Go to post

Picking up post #52: that is the part I would want checked first.

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

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m.dalgaardTL3Regular24 Nov 2024 · edited#56

Coming back to post #54, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

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d.vukovicTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#57

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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dr_bhattacharyaTL3Physician24 Nov 2024#58
logbook_erin, post #18: Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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d.bakkerTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#59
chromatogram, post #26: Renal impairment: the compounds are cleared renally to some degree. Dose adjustments might be needed in severe renal impairment. Consulting with a clinician familiar with renal dosing is prudent. Go to post

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

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p.marchettiTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#60
a.cardoso, post #39: Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input. Go to post

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

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