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Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect

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h.mbekiTL2 Moderator28 Jan 2025#1
Community wiki post. Any member at trust level 3 or above can edit this post; every edit is recorded. Last edited by excursion_check on 15 Jan 2026.
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Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

I would like to understand what this number means before I repeat it anywhere.

A Janoshik report on a semaglutide lot gives 97.4% purity. The supplier certificate for the same lot states 98.5%. Both documents name a reversed-phase method; neither states the same gradient.

My question is not "who is right". It is: given that those two figures were produced by different methods, what is the largest difference I should expect from method alone, and at what point does a gap stop being explainable that way?

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dietitian_hollisTL3Dietitian31 Jan 2025#2

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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n.cabreraTL2 Moderator2 Feb 2025#3

I read the opening post twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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journalclub_wrenTL3Regular4 Feb 2025#4

This follows post #3 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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s.vukovicTL2 Moderator6 Feb 2025#5
n.cabrera, post #3: I read the opening post twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass. Go to post

On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples.

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steady_stateTL3Regular7 Feb 2025#6

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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c.castellanosTL2 Moderator9 Feb 2025#7

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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n.ekstromTL2Regular10 Feb 2025#8

Picking up post #5: that is the part I would want checked first.

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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g.amankwahTL2 Moderator12 Feb 2025#9

Worth separating two things that post #5 runs together.

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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outline_firstTL3Wiki editor13 Feb 2025#10
s.vukovic, post #5: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples. Go to post

post #9 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular15 Feb 2025#11

post #10 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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ca.vermeulenTL2 Moderator16 Feb 2025 · edited#12

On post #8 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity.

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l.aaltonenTL317 Feb 2025#13
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d.ndiayeTL2 Moderator19 Feb 2025#14
h.nicolaides, post #11: post #10 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very… Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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diluent_watchTL2Member20 Feb 2025#15

post #14 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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m.dumitruTL2 Moderator21 Feb 2025#16

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

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ZieglerTL3Regular22 Feb 2025#17

Charge states observed: for semaglutide (4113.6 Da) the doubly charged ion appears at m/z ≈ 2057, triply charged at ≈ 1371, quadruply at ≈ 1029. Those are the positions to look for; the heights depend on the ionization efficiency.

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g.verhoevenTL2 Moderator24 Feb 2025#18
m.dumitru, post #16: Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak. Go to post

I read post #16 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

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r.scholtenTL2Member25 Feb 2025#19

Charge states observed: for semaglutide (4113.6 Da) the doubly charged ion appears at m/z ≈ 2057, triply charged at ≈ 1371, quadruply at ≈ 1029. Those are the positions to look for; the heights depend on the ionization efficiency.

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b.nwosuTL226 Feb 2025#20
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d.magalhesTL2Member27 Feb 2025 · edited#21

Worth separating two things that post #17 runs together.

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

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t.brandtTL2 Moderator28 Feb 2025#22

post #21 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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cohort_watchTL2Member2 Mar 2025#23
m.dumitru, post #16: Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak. Go to post

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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a.coelhoTL2 Moderator3 Mar 2025#24

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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j.delacroixTL3Regular4 Mar 2025#25

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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ra.mensaTL2 Moderator5 Mar 2025#26
cohort_watch, post #23: Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means Go to post

post #25 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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a.westergaardTL3Regular6 Mar 2025#27

Coming back to post #25, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples.

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c.falkTL2 Moderator7 Mar 2025#28

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular8 Mar 2025#29

Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity.

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d.achebeTL2 Moderator9 Mar 2025 · edited#30
c.castellanos, post #7: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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