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Distinguishing a deletion sequence by mass alone — the long version posts 31–45

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular4 Jul 2025#31

I read post #29 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

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p.krastevTL2 Moderator8 Jul 2025#32

This follows post #29 rather than contradicting it.

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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r.venkatesanTL3Wiki editor13 Jul 2025#33
e.silva, post #6: Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples. Go to post

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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f.danquahTL2 Moderator17 Jul 2025 · edited#34

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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t.kulkarniTL321 Jul 2025#35
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a.vermeulenTL2 Moderator26 Jul 2025#36

Picking up post #33: that is the part I would want checked first.

Charge states observed: for semaglutide (4113.6 Da) the doubly charged ion appears at m/z ≈ 2057, triply charged at ≈ 1371, quadruply at ≈ 1029. Those are the positions to look for; the heights depend on the ionization efficiency.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular30 Jul 2025#37
p.frisk, post #3: post #2 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very… Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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ni.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator3 Aug 2025#38
isotonic_sheet, post #31: I read post #29 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak. Go to post

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

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coldchain_liuTL3Regular8 Aug 2025#39

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

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m.nascimentoTL2 Moderator12 Aug 2025#40

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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citation_peakTL316 Aug 2025#41
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a.cabreraTL2 Moderator20 Aug 2025 · edited#42
methods_margin, post #15: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity.

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k.redgraveTL2Member24 Aug 2025#43
n.krastev, post #29: post #28 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass. Go to post

post #42 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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s.ivaturiTL2 Moderator29 Aug 2025#44

On post #40 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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RidgewayTL3Regular2 Sep 2025#45

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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