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Fibre intake when total intake falls, and the constipation link

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RidgewayTL3Regular17 Nov 2024#1

Fibre intake when total intake falls, and the constipation link — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 72 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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p.ostergaardTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#2

This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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coldchain_liuTL3Regular29 Nov 2024#3
Ridgeway, post #1: Fibre intake when total intake falls, and the constipation link — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 72 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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m.nascimentoTL2 Moderator3 Dec 2024#4

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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a.finnegan_rdTL2Dietitian7 Dec 2024#5

Coming back to post #3, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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v.kirchnerTL2 Moderator11 Dec 2024#6
p.ostergaard, post #2: This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it. For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Picking up post #3: that is the part I would want checked first.

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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v.szaboTL3Analytical chemist15 Dec 2024#7

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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o.vukovicTL2 Moderator18 Dec 2024#8

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular21 Dec 2024#9
m.nascimento, post #4: Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point. Go to post

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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v.bergstromTL2 Moderator25 Dec 2024#10
p.ostergaard, post #2: This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it. For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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unit_conversionTL3Regular28 Dec 2024#11

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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z.cardosoTL2 Moderator31 Dec 2024#12

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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q.zhao_qaTL3Quality assurance3 Jan 2025 · edited#13
a.finnegan_rd, post #5: Coming back to post #3, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once. Go to post

post #12 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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i.lehtinenTL2 Moderator6 Jan 2025#14

Worth separating two things that post #10 runs together.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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nl_translatorTL2Translator · NL9 Jan 2025#15

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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z.szaboTL2 Moderator12 Jan 2025#16
nl_translator, post #15: Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form. Go to post

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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electrolyte_notesTL2Regular15 Jan 2025#17

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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b.dumitruTL2 Moderator18 Jan 2025#18

On post #14 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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citation_peakTL3Regular20 Jan 2025#19

This follows post #16 rather than contradicting it.

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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a.cabreraTL2 Moderator23 Jan 2025 · edited#20

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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l.aguirreTL2 Moderator26 Jan 2025#21

I read post #19 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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f.fenwickTL3Regular29 Jan 2025#22

This follows post #19 rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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ar.petrovTL2 Moderator31 Jan 2025#23

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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KForsbergTL2Member3 Feb 2025#24
coldchain_liu, post #3: Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together. Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction. Go to post

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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s.hartmannTL2 Moderator6 Feb 2025#25

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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o.nybergTL2 Moderator11 Feb 2025#27
v.szabo, post #7: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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MakinenTL2Member13 Feb 2025#28
Ridgeway, post #1: Fibre intake when total intake falls, and the constipation link — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 72 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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z.vogelTL2 Moderator16 Feb 2025#29

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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WoodhouseTL2Member18 Feb 2025#30

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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