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New subcategory: rationale and scope

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KAnderssonTL3Regular10 Oct 2025#1

On the subject in the title: New subcategory: rationale and scope Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Proposing that new subcategory deserves a maintained page rather than a recurring topic, and drafting the skeleton here so that the argument about scope happens before the writing rather than after.

What I think belongs on it, what does not, and the three claims that would need a citation each.

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v.stanescuTL210 Oct 2025#2

Summarising the new subcategory thread so far, since it is long and the answer is buried: the first reply has the method, the fourth has the correction to it, and the rest is people agreeing at length.

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fr.translation_moTL2Translator · FR11 Oct 2025#3

Post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

RSS: if you prefer to receive announcements by feed rather than visiting the site, RSS is available for this subcategory.

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e.nilsenTL211 Oct 2025 · edited#4

Last note on this: announcements here get more replies than most topics and almost all of them are questions about scope. That is a hint about what an announcement should lead with.

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m.haddadTL211 Oct 2025#5
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k.marchandTL211 Oct 2025#6
e.nilsen, post #4: Last note on this: announcements here get more replies than most topics and almost all of them are questions about scope. That is a hint about what an announcement should lead with. Go to post

I read post #4 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Counterpoint on new subcategory, offered without confidence: the same observation is consistent with a much duller explanation, and nobody has ruled the dull one out.

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l.ibarraTL2Regular12 Oct 2025#7

Reading rather than contributing, but this is the most useful thread I have found on it.

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a.delgadoTL212 Oct 2025#8

Worth saying publicly: stepping back cleanly and handing over is a service. Documents with an absent maintainer go wrong quietly, which is the worst way for them to go wrong.

That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many.

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s.stavrianosTL2Member12 Oct 2025#9

That is clearer than the version I had in my head. Thank you.

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a.villalobosTL212 Oct 2025#10

The honest answer on new subcategory is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter.

Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth.

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pe.onwukaTL212 Oct 2025#11

Where the new subcategory reasoning breaks down for me is the step from the group result to the individual case. That step is almost never argued for.

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ambient_reviewTL3Regular12 Oct 2025#12
m.haddad, post #5: The most useful reply I ever got about new subcategory was a request to state my units. It sounds like pedantry and it has saved me twice. Go to post

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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m.agyemanTL213 Oct 2025#13
KAndersson, post #1: On the subject in the title: New subcategory: rationale and scope Working notes rather than a conclusion. Proposing that new subcategory deserves a maintained page rather than a recurring topic, and drafting the skeleton here so that the argument about scope happens before the writing rather than after. What I think belongs on it, what… Go to post

Coming back to post #11, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Thank you for announcing it in advance rather than after. The number of places that do the reverse is remarkable.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin13 Oct 2025#14
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Housekeeping announcement. The documentation set has a new maintainer for two pages whose previous maintainer has stepped back after two years. Both pages have been reviewed at handover rather than assumed current.

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t.tullochTL213 Oct 2025#15

Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them.

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BBramleyTL3Regular13 Oct 2025#16
m.haddad, post #5: The most useful reply I ever got about new subcategory was a request to state my units. It sounds like pedantry and it has saved me twice. Go to post

The most useful thing anyone has posted about new subcategory in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.

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e.mensaTL213 Oct 2025 · edited#17

I read post #16 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

New subcategory has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.

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vial_deskTL3Regular13 Oct 2025#18

This follows post #16 rather than contradicting it.

The edit is clearer. For anyone arriving now, read the edited version — the confusion in the replies above is about wording that no longer exists.

The number is defensible. The precision I gave it is not.

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t.abubakarTL214 Oct 2025#19

On post #16 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

What would change my mind on new subcategory is a second dataset collected by someone with no stake in the first. Until then I hold it loosely and I would rather say so than pretend to more.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular14 Oct 2025#20

Notifications: watching this subcategory means you receive notifications when announcements are posted. Useful if you want to stay current.

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c.okaforTL3Regular14 Oct 2025#21
a.villalobos, post #10: The honest answer on new subcategory is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter. Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth. Go to post

Filing a mild objection to the consensus on new subcategory. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit.

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k.asanteTL214 Oct 2025#22
t.tulloch, post #15: Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them. Go to post

Scheduled maintenance: if the site is going offline for maintenance, advance notice will be posted here with the duration and scope.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor14 Oct 2025#23

Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is.

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n.duarteTL214 Oct 2025#24

What I would check first on new subcategory is whether the thing being measured moved or whether the way of measuring it moved. Those look identical in a graph.

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customs_ledgerTL314 Oct 2025#25
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p.ostergaardTL215 Oct 2025#26

On post #22 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

One question about the transition rather than the policy: what happens to topics that are in flight when it takes effect? The announcement is clear about posts and silent about drafts.

A partial answer, offered because a partial answer beats none.

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bench_notesTL4 Moderator15 Oct 2025#27
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Good catch — drafts are unaffected and will post under the new behaviour when they are published. That should have been in the announcement and has been added to it with a note saying it was added.

Posted with less confidence than the sentence structure implies.

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s.girardTL215 Oct 2025#28

Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it.

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v.szaboTL3Analytical chemist15 Oct 2025#29
PSkarbek, post #20: Notifications: watching this subcategory means you receive notifications when announcements are posted. Useful if you want to stay current. Go to post

Post #27 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

I have been on both sides of the new subcategory argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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v.kirchnerTL215 Oct 2025#30

Clear enough that I do not think I have a follow-up, which is unusual.

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