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Over-dilution: when your dose falls below one readable graduation

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k.kuuselaTL214 Jul 2024#1

On the subject in the title: Over-dilution: when your dose falls below one readable graduation Working notes rather than a conclusion.

I have read the maintained page on this and I still have a gap, so I am asking rather than guessing.

Context: semaglutide, 6 weeks in, currently at a dose I reached by the standard four-week steps. Everything below is my own record rather than anything a clinician told me.

The specific question is the one in the title. What I have already checked: the labelling summary on the relevant documentation page, the two most-linked topics in this subcategory, and my own notes from the last 13 weeks. What I could not find is whether the answer changes at higher doses or whether it is the same arithmetic throughout.

If the answer is "it depends", I would rather know what it depends on than be given a number.

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a.almeidaTL211 Aug 2024#2

Useful. I have added it to my own notes with the date on it.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular1 Sep 2024#3

The opening post is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Worked example, since the arithmetic is the whole question. Five milligrams into one millilitre is 5 mg/mL. A 0.25 mg dose is 0.05 mL, which is five units on a U-100 syringe. Check that against your own numbers rather than taking mine.

That is the version I use. It may not be the version that is correct.

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m.malinowskiTL219 Sep 2024#4

Choose the concentration so that a typical dose lands on a graduation you can actually read. A dose that falls between two marks on a 1 mL barrel is a dose you will get wrong sooner or later.

I am not the right person to answer the follow-up to this.

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k.salinasTL26 Oct 2024#5
m.malinowski, post #4: Choose the concentration so that a typical dose lands on a graduation you can actually read. A dose that falls between two marks on a 1 mL barrel is a dose you will get wrong sooner or later. I am not the right person to answer the follow-up to this. Go to post

Sensible. I would want the same detail before I acted on it either.

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d.fontaineTL222 Oct 2024 · edited#6

On a U-100 insulin syringe, one hundred units is one millilitre and one unit is 0.01 millilitres. Units are volume marks. They mean nothing until you know the concentration.

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c.correiaTL26 Nov 2024#7

Post #6 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Choosing a concentration on purpose rather than by accident: starting with "I want to draw 0.5 mL per dose" and working backward to the required concentration is more efficient than picking a diluent volume and hoping the math works out. State your target volume, then the required concentration follows.

That has held every time I have looked, which is not the same as always.

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me.eriksenTL221 Nov 2024#8

On post #4 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Distinguishing three things in the over-dilution discussion that keep getting used interchangeably: the observation, the proposed mechanism, and the recommendation that gets attached to both.

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m.perrinTL25 Dec 2024#9

This follows post #6 rather than contradicting it.

Over-dilution: if your target dose is 0.25 mg and your syringe is a 1 mL insulin syringe, you need a concentration high enough that 0.25 mg fits on the scale. A 0.25 mg/mL solution requires drawing the entire 1 mL syringe — not readable. A 5 mg/mL solution requires drawing 50 μL — also not practical on an insulin syringe.

The confident version of this sentence would be wrong, so here is the hedged one.

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s.karlsen_rphTL3Pharmacist19 Dec 2024#10
m.malinowski, post #4: Choose the concentration so that a typical dose lands on a graduation you can actually read. A dose that falls between two marks on a 1 mL barrel is a dose you will get wrong sooner or later. I am not the right person to answer the follow-up to this. Go to post

I read post #8 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Reconstituting a multi-strength kit: if a kit contains 5 mg, 10 mg, 15 mg vials and you are reconstituting all of them, writing the concentration on each vial in permanent marker as you go is the single most useful thing you can do to avoid dose errors later.

I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.

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KForsbergTL2Member1 Jan 2025#11

Worth separating two things that post #7 runs together.

Dead volume is the part nobody mentions until it costs them a dose. A fixed-needle insulin syringe holds very little; a detachable-needle luer configuration can hold enough to matter at small doses.

Noting that the question and the thing people usually mean by it are different.

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s.hartmannTL215 Jan 2025#12

That is clearer than the version I had in my head. Thank you.

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f.fenwickTL3Regular28 Jan 2025#13
m.malinowski, post #4: Choose the concentration so that a typical dose lands on a graduation you can actually read. A dose that falls between two marks on a 1 mL barrel is a dose you will get wrong sooner or later. I am not the right person to answer the follow-up to this. Go to post

Adding what did not work for me on over-dilution, since the failures never get written up and they are half the useful information.

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k.kimaniTL29 Feb 2025 · edited#14

Two people can reconstitute the same vial to different concentrations and both be right. The dose is the same; only the volume drawn differs. This confuses more discussions here than any other single point.

Written quickly, so the reasoning may be tighter than the wording.

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r.friskTL222 Feb 2025#15

Swirling until fully clear before drawing is worth the extra minute. A partially dissolved preparation is not uniform and the first dose out of it is not the same as the last.

If anyone has run this properly I would rather read that than my own guess.

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k.chukwuTL26 Mar 2025#16

Reframing over-dilution slightly, because I think the disagreement is about the question rather than the answer. If the question is "does it happen", yes. If it is "how often", nobody here knows.

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e.lehtinenTL218 Mar 2025#17
c.correia, post #7: Post #6 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Choosing a concentration on purpose rather than by accident: starting with "I want to draw 0.5 mL per dose" and working backward to the required concentration is more efficient than picking a diluent volume and hoping the math works out. State your target… Go to post

No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored.

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h.ferrariTL230 Mar 2025#18
a.westergaard, post #3: The opening post is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Worked example, since the arithmetic is the whole question. Five milligrams into one millilitre is 5 mg/mL. A 0.25 mg dose is 0.05 mL, which is five units on a U-100 syringe. Check that against your own numbers rather than taking mine. That is the… Go to post

Picking up post #15: that is the part I would want checked first.

If your arithmetic gives a volume smaller than one graduation on your syringe, the answer is a lower concentration rather than a more careful hand.

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BuchholzTL2Member11 Apr 2025#19

The bit of over-dilution that nobody enjoys is that the answer changes depending on what you are trying to decide with it. Say what the decision is and the thread will converge.

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g.danquahTL223 Apr 2025#20

Second-hand on over-dilution, so weight it accordingly — someone whose method I trust told me this and I have not verified it myself.

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