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Second pass at: Gauge and length selection for subcutaneous injection

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l.piresTL2 Moderator8 Nov 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Second pass at: Gauge and length selection for subcutaneous injection Everything below is what sits behind that.

A question about technique rather than about dose.

I have been doing the same thing for 6 months and it works, and then I read one of the documentation pages here and realised I may have been reasoning from a misunderstanding the whole time. Nothing has gone wrong; I would just like to understand why it has not.

What I do, exactly, is described below. Please tell me which parts are load-bearing and which are superstition.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular15 Nov 2024#2

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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c.marchettiTL2 Moderator20 Nov 2024#3

Reading units correctly: look at the marking from the side, not from above or below. The bottom of the plunger tip is the reading. Parallax error (wrong angle) is a source of dosing error.

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sterile_fileTL3Regular24 Nov 2024#4

I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Aspirating before injection: for subcutaneous injection, aspirating (pulling back on the plunger to check for blood) is not necessary and is sometimes discouraged because it is associated with more discomfort. Subcutaneous injection without aspiration is standard practice.

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f.lindholmTL2 Moderator28 Nov 2024#5
l.pires, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Second pass at: Gauge and length selection for subcutaneous injection Everything below is what sits behind that. A question about technique rather than about dose. I have been doing the same thing for 6 months and it works, and then I read one of the documentation pages here and realised I may… Go to post

Needle gauge: smaller numbers (30G) are finer and less painful. Larger numbers (25G) are courser. For subcutaneous injection, 27-30G is typical. Finer needles take longer to draw up but hurt less.

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integrator_logTL3Regular2 Dec 2024#6
DOdendaal, post #2: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Needle length: typical lengths for subcutaneous injection are 4-6 mm (short), 8 mm (standard), or 10-12 mm (longer). Longer needles are needed for deeper tissue or if you have abdominal adiposity.

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s.salgadoTL2 Moderator6 Dec 2024#7

Picking up post #4: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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e.dalgleishTL3Regular10 Dec 2024 · edited#8

Coming back to post #6, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Dead volume: residual liquid in the hub and needle after withdrawal. Typical residual is 0.01 to 0.02 mL for an insulin syringe with a fixed needle. Accounting for it matters if precision matters.

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i.wojcikTL2 Moderator13 Dec 2024#9

Insulin syringe graduations: U-100 syringes are marked in units where 100 units = 1 mL. Always confirm your syringe is U-100. Confusion between insulin units and milligrams is the most common syringe error.

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bench_entryTL317 Dec 2024#10
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o.nybergTL2 Moderator20 Dec 2024#11
bench_entry, post #10: Worth separating two things that post #6 runs together. Syringe barrel size: common sizes are 0.3 mL, 0.5 mL, and 1.0 mL. Smaller barrels are more legible for small doses. Larger barrels hold larger volumes. Choose based on your dose. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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MakinenTL2Member24 Dec 2024#12

Fixed versus detachable needles: insulin syringes usually have fixed needles (no dead volume loss to the hub). Luer-lock syringes use detachable needles (more dead volume). Fixed needles are preferred for small doses.

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z.vogelTL2 Moderator27 Dec 2024#13

Worth separating two things that post #9 runs together.

Dead volume: residual liquid in the hub and needle after withdrawal. Typical residual is 0.01 to 0.02 mL for an insulin syringe with a fixed needle. Accounting for it matters if precision matters.

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WoodhouseTL2Member30 Dec 2024#14

Syringe barrel size: common sizes are 0.3 mL, 0.5 mL, and 1.0 mL. Smaller barrels are more legible for small doses. Larger barrels hold larger volumes. Choose based on your dose.

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f.espinozaTL2 Moderator2 Jan 2025#15
l.pires, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Second pass at: Gauge and length selection for subcutaneous injection Everything below is what sits behind that. A question about technique rather than about dose. I have been doing the same thing for 6 months and it works, and then I read one of the documentation pages here and realised I may… Go to post

Sharps disposal: needles and syringes should be disposed in a sharps container (a rigid, puncture-resistant container). Do not put them in regular trash. Many pharmacies accept filled sharps containers.

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gradient_fileTL2Member5 Jan 2025#16

Picking up post #13: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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s.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025 · edited#17

Reading units correctly: look at the marking from the side, not from above or below. The bottom of the plunger tip is the reading. Parallax error (wrong angle) is a source of dosing error.

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cohort_notesTL2Member11 Jan 2025#18
integrator_log, post #6: Needle length: typical lengths for subcutaneous injection are 4-6 mm (short), 8 mm (standard), or 10-12 mm (longer). Longer needles are needed for deeper tissue or if you have abdominal adiposity. Go to post

Fixed versus detachable needles: insulin syringes usually have fixed needles (no dead volume loss to the hub). Luer-lock syringes use detachable needles (more dead volume). Fixed needles are preferred for small doses.

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h.ferrariTL2 Moderator14 Jan 2025#19

Needle gauge: smaller numbers (30G) are finer and less painful. Larger numbers (25G) are courser. For subcutaneous injection, 27-30G is typical. Finer needles take longer to draw up but hurt less.

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r.friskTL2 Moderator17 Jan 2025#20

Needle length: typical lengths for subcutaneous injection are 4-6 mm (short), 8 mm (standard), or 10-12 mm (longer). Longer needles are needed for deeper tissue or if you have abdominal adiposity.

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r.petrovTL220 Jan 2025#21
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preregisteredTL3Research methods23 Jan 2025#22
l.pires, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Second pass at: Gauge and length selection for subcutaneous injection Everything below is what sits behind that. A question about technique rather than about dose. I have been doing the same thing for 6 months and it works, and then I read one of the documentation pages here and realised I may… Go to post

I read post #20 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Insulin syringe graduations: U-100 syringes are marked in units where 100 units = 1 mL. Always confirm your syringe is U-100. Confusion between insulin units and milligrams is the most common syringe error.

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b.vanheckeTL2 Moderator25 Jan 2025#23

post #22 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Dead volume: residual liquid in the hub and needle after withdrawal. Typical residual is 0.01 to 0.02 mL for an insulin syringe with a fixed needle. Accounting for it matters if precision matters.

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ppm_errorTL3Analytical chemist28 Jan 2025#24

Needle gauge: smaller numbers (30G) are finer and less painful. Larger numbers (25G) are courser. For subcutaneous injection, 27-30G is typical. Finer needles take longer to draw up but hurt less.

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n.vukovicTL2 Moderator31 Jan 2025#25

Picking up post #22: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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plateau_notesTL2Regular3 Feb 2025 · edited#26
sterile_file, post #4: I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Aspirating before injection: for subcutaneous injection, aspirating (pulling back on the plunger to check for blood) is not necessary and is sometimes discouraged because it is associated with more discomfort. Subcutaneous injection without aspiration is standard… Go to post

Coming back to post #24, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Insulin syringe graduations: U-100 syringes are marked in units where 100 units = 1 mL. Always confirm your syringe is U-100. Confusion between insulin units and milligrams is the most common syringe error.

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y.rahimiTL2 Moderator5 Feb 2025#27

Reading units correctly: look at the marking from the side, not from above or below. The bottom of the plunger tip is the reading. Parallax error (wrong angle) is a source of dosing error.

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appeals_deskTL3Regular8 Feb 2025#28

Aspirating before injection: for subcutaneous injection, aspirating (pulling back on the plunger to check for blood) is not necessary and is sometimes discouraged because it is associated with more discomfort. Subcutaneous injection without aspiration is standard practice.

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n.stanescuTL2 Moderator11 Feb 2025#29
l.pires, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Second pass at: Gauge and length selection for subcutaneous injection Everything below is what sits behind that. A question about technique rather than about dose. I have been doing the same thing for 6 months and it works, and then I read one of the documentation pages here and realised I may… Go to post

This follows post #26 rather than contradicting it.

Fixed versus detachable needles: insulin syringes usually have fixed needles (no dead volume loss to the hub). Luer-lock syringes use detachable needles (more dead volume). Fixed needles are preferred for small doses.

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n.haddadTL2 Moderator13 Feb 2025#30

Sharps disposal: needles and syringes should be disposed in a sharps container (a rigid, puncture-resistant container). Do not put them in regular trash. Many pharmacies accept filled sharps containers.

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