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Signs of dehydration worth acting on

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Where to report: in many countries there is a pharmacovigilance system where adverse events can be reported. FDA MedWatch in the US, Yellow Card in UK, EudraVigilance in EU.

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t.ndiayeTL2 Moderator28 Jul 2024#1

Signs of dehydration worth acting on — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Asking about a population rather than about a person.

The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it. I would like to understand what the honest position is when someone falls outside the studied population: not "it is fine" and not "there is no data", but what the reasoning actually looks like.

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m.ndiayeTL2 Moderator3 Aug 2024#2

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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bench_peakTL3Regular7 Aug 2024#3

Severe gastrointestinal events: persistent vomiting, abdominal pain out of proportion, or signs of bowel obstruction warrant urgent evaluation. Mild nausea and constipation are ordinary; severe versions are not.

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t.batistaTL2 Moderator11 Aug 2024#4
t.ndiaye, post #1: Signs of dehydration worth acting on — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Asking about a population rather than about a person. The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it. I would like to understand what… Go to post

the opening post is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Acute kidney injury: rare but reported. Symptoms (decreased urine output, creatinine elevation) warrant urgent evaluation. Severe dehydration during weight loss is a risk factor.

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IsaksenTL3Regular Solution14 Aug 2024#5

Where to report: in many countries there is a pharmacovigilance system where adverse events can be reported. FDA MedWatch in the US, Yellow Card in UK, EudraVigilance in EU.

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t.ibarraTL2 Moderator17 Aug 2024#6

How to document: date, exact symptom or event, severity, duration, outcome, any medical attention sought. Detailed documentation is far more useful than a vague report.

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KStephanopoulosTL3Regular20 Aug 2024#7
m.ndiaye, post #2: Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

On post #3 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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h.castellanosTL2 Moderator23 Aug 2024 · edited#8
t.ndiaye, post #1: Signs of dehydration worth acting on — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Asking about a population rather than about a person. The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it. I would like to understand what… Go to post

post #7 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Reporting to regulatory agencies: if you have had a serious event, reporting it to the regulatory agency in your country can help with signal detection across the population.

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footnote_entryTL3Regular26 Aug 2024 · edited#9
m.ndiaye, post #2: Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

Serious and unexpected events are the ones to document and report. Serious means hospitalization-level serious. Unexpected means not in the drug's known profile. Both together warrant official reporting.

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k.kuuselaTL2 Moderator29 Aug 2024#10

This follows post #7 rather than contradicting it.

Pancreatitis is a genuine serious adverse event to know: severe epigastric pain, back pain, elevated lipase (≥3× upper limit of normal). If this constellation appears, stopping the drug and seeking urgent evaluation is appropriate.

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ambient_draftTL3Regular1 Sep 2024#11
Isaksen, post #5: Where to report: in many countries there is a pharmacovigilance system where adverse events can be reported. FDA MedWatch in the US, Yellow Card in UK, EudraVigilance in EU. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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s.lundgrenTL2 Moderator3 Sep 2024#12

Medullary thyroid carcinoma is the reason these compounds are contraindicated in people with personal or family history of MTC or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2. Rodent toxicology showed a signal; human evidence of causation is absent but caution is appropriate.

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integrator_traceTL2Member6 Sep 2024#13

Allergic reactions: true allergy (anaphylaxis, severe rash) is rare with these peptide compounds but possible. Distinguishing true allergy from GI intolerance matters.

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ak.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator9 Sep 2024#14

Worth separating two things that post #10 runs together.

Severe gastrointestinal events: persistent vomiting, abdominal pain out of proportion, or signs of bowel obstruction warrant urgent evaluation. Mild nausea and constipation are ordinary; severe versions are not.

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n.bridgewaterTL2Member11 Sep 2024 · edited#15
Isaksen, post #5: Where to report: in many countries there is a pharmacovigilance system where adverse events can be reported. FDA MedWatch in the US, Yellow Card in UK, EudraVigilance in EU. Go to post

Picking up post #12: that is the part I would want checked first.

Allergic reactions: true allergy (anaphylaxis, severe rash) is rare with these peptide compounds but possible. Distinguishing true allergy from GI intolerance matters.

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a.norgaardTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2024#16

Psychological adverse events: mood changes, anxiety, or suicidal ideation warrant discussion with a mental health professional. These are rare but real.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular16 Sep 2024#17

Reporting to regulatory agencies: if you have had a serious event, reporting it to the regulatory agency in your country can help with signal detection across the population.

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ne.laurentTL2 Moderator19 Sep 2024#18
bench_peak, post #3: Severe gastrointestinal events: persistent vomiting, abdominal pain out of proportion, or signs of bowel obstruction warrant urgent evaluation. Mild nausea and constipation are ordinary; severe versions are not. Go to post

Serious and unexpected events are the ones to document and report. Serious means hospitalization-level serious. Unexpected means not in the drug's known profile. Both together warrant official reporting.

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h.almeidaTL2Member21 Sep 2024#19

How to document: date, exact symptom or event, severity, duration, outcome, any medical attention sought. Detailed documentation is far more useful than a vague report.

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t.marchettiTL2 Moderator23 Sep 2024#20

I read post #18 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Where to report: in many countries there is a pharmacovigilance system where adverse events can be reported. FDA MedWatch in the US, Yellow Card in UK, EudraVigilance in EU.

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fr.translation_moTL2Translator · FR26 Sep 2024#21
s.lundgren, post #12: Medullary thyroid carcinoma is the reason these compounds are contraindicated in people with personal or family history of MTC or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2. Rodent toxicology showed a signal; human evidence of causation is absent but caution is appropriate. Go to post

I read post #19 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Pancreatitis is a genuine serious adverse event to know: severe epigastric pain, back pain, elevated lipase (≥3× upper limit of normal). If this constellation appears, stopping the drug and seeking urgent evaluation is appropriate.

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k.marchandTL2 Moderator28 Sep 2024#22
h.castellanos, post #8: post #7 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Reporting to regulatory agencies: if you have had a serious event, reporting it to the regulatory agency in your country can help with signal detection across the population. Go to post

This follows post #19 rather than contradicting it.

Acute kidney injury: rare but reported. Symptoms (decreased urine output, creatinine elevation) warrant urgent evaluation. Severe dehydration during weight loss is a risk factor.

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m.haddadTL2Regular30 Sep 2024#23

Medullary thyroid carcinoma is the reason these compounds are contraindicated in people with personal or family history of MTC or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2. Rodent toxicology showed a signal; human evidence of causation is absent but caution is appropriate.

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a.delgadoTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2024#24

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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weekly_pinTL2Regular5 Oct 2024#25
ambient_draft, post #11: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

Where to report: in many countries there is a pharmacovigilance system where adverse events can be reported. FDA MedWatch in the US, Yellow Card in UK, EudraVigilance in EU.

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s.adebayoTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2024#26
t.ibarra, post #6: How to document: date, exact symptom or event, severity, duration, outcome, any medical attention sought. Detailed documentation is far more useful than a vague report. Go to post

Picking up post #23: that is the part I would want checked first.

How to document: date, exact symptom or event, severity, duration, outcome, any medical attention sought. Detailed documentation is far more useful than a vague report.

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appeals_deskTL3Regular9 Oct 2024#27

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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h.lindqvistTL2 Moderator11 Oct 2024#28

Pancreatitis is a genuine serious adverse event to know: severe epigastric pain, back pain, elevated lipase (≥3× upper limit of normal). If this constellation appears, stopping the drug and seeking urgent evaluation is appropriate.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular13 Oct 2024#29

Psychological adverse events: mood changes, anxiety, or suicidal ideation warrant discussion with a mental health professional. These are rare but real.

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d.achebeTL2 Moderator16 Oct 2024#30
t.batista, post #4: the opening post is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Acute kidney injury: rare but reported. Symptoms (decreased urine output, creatinine elevation) warrant urgent evaluation. Severe dehydration during weight loss is a risk factor. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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