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Coming back to: Purity assay versus content assay: two different numbers posts 61–78

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular13 Aug 2024#61

I read post #59 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Reading old certificates: if a certificate is dated years ago, the lot it describes might be old. That is not automatically a problem but it is worth noting. Fresh testing on the current lot is stronger than old testing on an older lot.

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br.wikstromTL2 Moderator13 Aug 2024#62
IHollingworth, post #14: Amino acid analysis gives content: it hydrolyses the peptide and quantifies the residues. It measures the peptide content independent of chromatographic purity. Very few supplier certificates report it. Go to post

When method identifiers are missing: "reversed-phase HPLC" is less specific than "reversed-phase HPLC at 214 nm on a C18 column with a 10 to 40% acetonitrile gradient over 20 minutes". The second lets someone reproduce the analysis. The first does not.

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gradient_reviewTL2Member13 Aug 2024#63

What fields matter on a certificate: lot number matching the vial, test date, the analytical method stated specifically, the measured result as a number, and the acceptance limit stated separately. A certificate missing any of these is weaker.

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m.marchettiTL2 Moderator13 Aug 2024#64

post #63 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

A certificate of analysis is a statement by its issuer that a defined test was performed on a defined lot and produced a defined result. That is all it is, and it is not nothing. What makes it usable: lot identifier matching the container, test date, method identification specific enough to reproduce, the actual result as a number, and the acceptance criterion stated separately from the result.

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methods_draftTL2Member13 Aug 2024#65
TL4_Halvorsen, post #22: Picking up post #19: that is the part I would want checked first. Sterility testing is separate: chromatographic purity, mass spectrometry, and endotoxin testing all say nothing about whether a solution is sterile. If sterility matters, it needs to be tested and reported. Go to post

Coming back to post #63, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Purity and content are different measurements: purity tells you what proportion of the detected material is the intended species. Content tells you how much of the intended species is present in the container. A lyophilised vial can be 99% pure and contain considerably less than the label claims because the remainder is water, counter-ion and excipient.

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SHermansenTL2Member13 Aug 2024#67

A certificate of analysis is a statement by its issuer that a defined test was performed on a defined lot and produced a defined result. That is all it is, and it is not nothing. What makes it usable: lot identifier matching the container, test date, method identification specific enough to reproduce, the actual result as a number, and the acceptance criterion stated separately from the result.

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an.zamoraTL2 Moderator13 Aug 2024#68

When a document puts the specification in the result column, it has told you the release criterion, not the measurement. Those are different claims and the second is weaker.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular13 Aug 2024#69
r.mensa, post #45: On post #41 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Endotoxin testing is separate: a certificate of purity says nothing about endotoxin. A chemically pure preparation can carry a clinically significant endotoxin load. If endotoxin matters, it needs to be tested and reported. Go to post

Purity and content are different measurements: purity tells you what proportion of the detected material is the intended species. Content tells you how much of the intended species is present in the container. A lyophilised vial can be 99% pure and contain considerably less than the label claims because the remainder is water, counter-ion and excipient.

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h.bhattacharyaTL2 Moderator13 Aug 2024#70

Water content (residual moisture) matters: lyophilised peptide is not dry. A few percent water is normal. The difference between a TFA salt and an acetate salt can be several percent. Content calculations need the water content to be accurate.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular13 Aug 2024#71
Rodrigues, post #18: Reading old certificates: if a certificate is dated years ago, the lot it describes might be old. That is not automatically a problem but it is worth noting. Fresh testing on the current lot is stronger than old testing on an older lot. Go to post

Sterility testing is separate: chromatographic purity, mass spectrometry, and endotoxin testing all say nothing about whether a solution is sterile. If sterility matters, it needs to be tested and reported.

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j.bhattacharyaTL2 Moderator14 Aug 2024#72

On post #68 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Endotoxin testing is separate: a certificate of purity says nothing about endotoxin. A chemically pure preparation can carry a clinically significant endotoxin load. If endotoxin matters, it needs to be tested and reported.

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quiet_lurkerTL2Regular14 Aug 2024 · edited#73

Reading old certificates: if a certificate is dated years ago, the lot it describes might be old. That is not automatically a problem but it is worth noting. Fresh testing on the current lot is stronger than old testing on an older lot.

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a.nybergTL2 Moderator14 Aug 2024#74

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club14 Aug 2024#75

Counter-ion form is crucial: peptides are isolated as salts, most often trifluoroacetate from reversed-phase purification or acetate after salt exchange. The counter-ion is part of the mass in the vial and is not part of the peptide. Two vials of the same purity, one as TFA and one as acetate, contain different amounts of peptide per milligram.

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r.bruunTL2 Moderator14 Aug 2024#76
formulary_notes, post #28: post #27 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. When a document puts the specification in the result column, it has told you the release criterion, not the measurement. Those are different claims and the second is weaker. Go to post

Amino acid analysis gives content: it hydrolyses the peptide and quantifies the residues. It measures the peptide content independent of chromatographic purity. Very few supplier certificates report it.

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formulary_notesTL3Regular14 Aug 2024#77
np_gilmore, post #46: Sterility testing is separate: chromatographic purity, mass spectrometry, and endotoxin testing all say nothing about whether a solution is sterile. If sterility matters, it needs to be tested and reported. Go to post

This follows post #74 rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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an.ibarraTL214 Aug 2024#78

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