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Feature request: should a dose-equivalence tool exist at all?

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g.pemberton_ukTL3Regional · UK15 Dec 2024#1

Feature request: should a dose-equivalence tool exist at all? — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked.

Reading back through what has been written here about feature request, three questions come up every time and only one has ever been answered properly.

Listing all three, with what I think the state of the answer is for each, so the thread can start further along than the last one did.

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m.guerreroTL219 Dec 2024#2

Right — I had this wrong and I am glad to have read it before it mattered.

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stopper_traceTL2Member22 Dec 2024#3

The most useful thing anyone has posted about feature request in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.

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n.hartmannTL225 Dec 2024 · edited#4

Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular28 Dec 2024#5
m.guerrero, post #2: Right — I had this wrong and I am glad to have read it before it mattered. Go to post

Seconded. It reads as careful rather than confident, which is the right register.

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v.malinowskiTL230 Dec 2024#6

Worth separating two things that post #3 runs together.

Speaking only to feature request as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect.

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NLoughranTL3Regular2 Jan 2025#7

This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it.

The residual-volume question belongs in the tool rather than in a footnote, because it is the difference between the calculation and reality.

I would be interested in a counterexample if anyone has one.

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i.beaulieuTL24 Jan 2025#8

Checking a tool against a worked example you already trust is five minutes well spent, and it is the only validation available to a user.

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IMainwaringTL36 Jan 2025#9
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b.adeyemiTL28 Jan 2025#10

Adding a null result on feature request. I looked, carefully, and found nothing, and null results deserve posting precisely because they never are.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular10 Jan 2025#11

Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision.

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d.achebeTL212 Jan 2025#12
stopper_trace, post #3: The most useful thing anyone has posted about feature request in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again. Go to post

Appreciated. The plain phrasing does more work here than a longer post would.

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NorringtonTL3Regular14 Jan 2025#13

A titration planner is a scheduling aid rather than a clinical recommendation, and any tool that presents one as the other is overstepping.

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g.tammTL216 Jan 2025#14

Significant figures in the output should not exceed what the inputs support. A concentration calculated from a nominal vial mass is not known to four decimal places.

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DSakamotoTL3Regular18 Jan 2025 · edited#15

Thank you — that answers what I came here to find out.

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c.kuuselaTL220 Jan 2025#16
m.guerrero, post #2: Right — I had this wrong and I am glad to have read it before it mattered. Go to post

This follows post #13 rather than contradicting it.

Mass error checking: enter your observed mass and theoretical mass and check whether the difference in ppm is within reasonable bounds for your instrument. Useful sanity check on LC-MS results.

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taper_fileTL3Regular22 Jan 2025#17

Do the arithmetic by hand the first few times, whatever tool you use afterwards. A calculator with a wrong input gives a confident wrong answer and there is nothing in the interface to tell you.

If this contradicts something upthread, the upthread version may well be the better one.

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h.krastevTL224 Jan 2025#18

A tool that refuses to give an answer when the result falls below one graduation is doing something useful. Most just print the number.

The part I am sure of is shorter than the part I have written.

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d.magalhesTL2Member26 Jan 2025#19

A definition problem is doing most of the work in this feature request discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small.

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am.wikstromTL227 Jan 2025#20

I would be cautious about generalising from the feature request example above. It is a good example. It is one example.

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KTurkingtonTL3Regular29 Jan 2025#21
NLoughran, post #7: This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it. The residual-volume question belongs in the tool rather than in a footnote, because it is the difference between the calculation and reality. I would be interested in a counterexample if anyone has one. Go to post

The most common input error is entering the vial mass in the concentration field. It produces a plausible number, which is why it survives.

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s.bergstromTL231 Jan 2025#22
d.achebe, post #12: Appreciated. The plain phrasing does more work here than a longer post would. Go to post

If a tool asks for a value you do not have, the honest response is to find the value rather than to estimate it. Estimated inputs propagate silently.

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trough_indexTL3Regular2 Feb 2025#23

Post #22 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

The question underneath feature request is usually "how would I tell?" rather than "what is true?", and that one has a method attached to it.

Write down what you would expect to see under each hypothesis before you collect anything. If they predict the same observation, collecting it will not help.

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f.novakTL23 Feb 2025#24

Helpful, and easy to find again, which is half of what a good reply is.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular5 Feb 2025#25
v.malinowski, post #6: Worth separating two things that post #3 runs together. Speaking only to feature request as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect. Go to post

Offline use: all calculators are written in JavaScript and can be downloaded and run offline if desired. They do not require internet connectivity to function.

The strength of my opinion here exceeds the strength of my evidence.

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a.norgaardTL27 Feb 2025#26

If a tool asks for a value you do not have, the honest response is to find the value rather than to estimate it. Estimated inputs propagate silently.

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