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Irish differences from the UK position

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Practical answer on irish differences, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not.

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KAnderssonTL3Regular17 Sep 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Irish differences from the UK position Everything below is what sits behind that.

Trying to establish the boundary conditions on irish differences. The general claim is fine; I want to know where it stops holding, because that is where I am operating.

Three edge cases below, in increasing order of how far outside the usual range they sit.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular Solution19 Sep 2024 · edited#2

Practical answer on irish differences, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not.

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n.vukovicTL220 Sep 2024#3

Two people in this thread mean different things by irish differences and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it.

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plateau_notesTL2Regular21 Sep 2024#4

Coming back to post #2, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Private prescribing arrangements differ in what they include, and the differences are more consequential than the headline price.

I have left out the parts I could not verify.

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c.haddadTL222 Sep 2024#5
plateau_notes, post #4: Coming back to post #2, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Private prescribing arrangements differ in what they include, and the differences are more consequential than the headline price. I have left out the parts I could not verify. Go to post

Post #4 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The failure mode on irish differences is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.

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a.kowalczykTL2Regular23 Sep 2024#6
KAndersson, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Irish differences from the UK position Everything below is what sits behind that. Trying to establish the boundary conditions on irish differences. The general claim is fine; I want to know where it stops holding, because that is where I am operating. Three edge cases below, in increasing… Go to post

Importing for personal use: importing a prescription-only medicine without a prescription is not lawful. Material sold as research-use-only is not a licensed medicine regardless of content.

Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement.

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m.almeidaTL224 Sep 2024#7

Genuine question rather than a rhetorical one: has anyone here actually observed irish differences, as opposed to read about it? The thread is long and I cannot tell.

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k.brandl_deTL3Translator · DE25 Sep 2024#8

Adding a reference point for irish differences. Mine is a single case, collected without controls, and I am posting the method alongside it so it can be discounted appropriately.

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s.coelhoTL225 Sep 2024 · edited#9

Post #8 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

The most useful contribution is a link to the current official page with the date you accessed it. That survives; a paraphrase does not.

Not the answer, but possibly the question that gets there.

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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator26 Sep 2024#10

On post #6 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

What I can speak to on irish differences is narrow, so I will keep it narrow rather than generalising from it. Beyond that boundary I do not know.

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s.achebeTL227 Sep 2024#11

Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Adding a small correction to the irish differences summary above rather than a disagreement with it. The substance holds; one of the figures is out by a factor that matters.

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VThorvaldsenTL3Regular28 Sep 2024#12

Cross-border movement between the two jurisdictions is not the same as domestic movement within either, and the rules are published rather than inferred.

I would want a second opinion before relying on that.

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i.rasmussenTL228 Sep 2024#13
k.brandl_de, post #8: Adding a reference point for irish differences. Mine is a single case, collected without controls, and I am posting the method alongside it so it can be discounted appropriately. Go to post

Nothing in this subcategory is medical or legal advice, and prescribers reading here consistently say so themselves.

Someone will know this better than I do and I hope they say so.

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n.torrenceTL3Regular29 Sep 2024#14
c.haddad, post #5: Post #4 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. The failure mode on irish differences is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong. Go to post

Post #13 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

What I want from this irish differences thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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e.ferrariTL230 Sep 2024 · edited#15

I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Irish differences: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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s.silvaTL21 Oct 2024#16

Adding a note of thanks rather than an opinion. I did not know most of that.

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e.kimaniTL21 Oct 2024#17
k.brandl_de, post #8: Adding a reference point for irish differences. Mine is a single case, collected without controls, and I am posting the method alongside it so it can be discounted appropriately. Go to post

Members outside these two jurisdictions reading this thread should note that none of it transfers, including the parts that sound general.

Anyone with a larger sample, please post it.

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KnowltonTL3Regular2 Oct 2024#18
c.haddad, post #5: Post #4 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. The failure mode on irish differences is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong. Go to post

Where guidance distinguishes between indications, quoting the indication is essential. The same compound has different positions under different indications.

I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge.

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d.nwosuTL23 Oct 2024#19

The number people quote for irish differences is a central estimate presented without its interval, and the interval is wide enough that the estimate is nearly uninformative on its own.

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j.habermannTL3Regular3 Oct 2024#20

Correcting an out-of-date claim in this subcategory with a source and a date is more valuable than a new topic on the same question.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician4 Oct 2024 · edited#21

Picking up post #18: that is the part I would want checked first.

A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for irish differences post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier.

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s.grimaldiTL25 Oct 2024#22

Waiting times are the most variable and least generalisable thing reported here, and they are worth posting anyway with a region and a date.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist5 Oct 2024#23
e.ferrari, post #15: I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Irish differences: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which. Go to post

Bookmarking this. I will come back when I have something worth adding.

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e.iyerTL26 Oct 2024#24

Practical note on irish differences: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator7 Oct 2024#25

This follows post #22 rather than contradicting it.

Irish differences is one of those subjects where the general answer and the answer for a specific case diverge, and the thread will go in circles until someone says which one is being asked for.

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r.serranoTL27 Oct 2024#26
a.kowalczyk, post #6: Importing for personal use: importing a prescription-only medicine without a prescription is not lawful. Material sold as research-use-only is not a licensed medicine regardless of content. Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement. Go to post

Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin8 Oct 2024#27
e.ferrari, post #15: I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Irish differences: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which. Go to post

Anyone quoting an eligibility threshold should say which document it comes from. The thresholds have changed and the old ones are still circulating.

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k.dahlbergTL29 Oct 2024#28

Where a member reports a decision, the useful detail is the stated reason rather than the outcome, because the reason is what generalises.

Reporting the observation and leaving the explanation open deliberately.

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s.bruunTL29 Oct 2024#29

Thank you — that answers what I came here to find out.

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b.oseiTL210 Oct 2024 · edited#30
plateau_notes, post #4: Coming back to post #2, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Private prescribing arrangements differ in what they include, and the differences are more consequential than the headline price. I have left out the parts I could not verify. Go to post

Adding the boring version of irish differences, because the interesting version keeps getting posted and the boring one is usually right.

Check the ordinary explanations, in order, and stop when one of them accounts for what you are seeing. Most of the time the second one does.

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