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Nutrition & Training · Resistance training · continued

Progressive overload when the scale is falling — one year on posts 91–120

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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i.wojcikTL2 Moderator25 Sep 2024#91
c.wijnberg, post #39: Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range. Go to post

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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bench_entryTL3Regular26 Sep 2024#92
s.chowdhury, post #60: Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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b.friskTL2 Moderator26 Sep 2024#93

This follows post #90 rather than contradicting it.

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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t.kulkarniTL3Regular26 Sep 2024#94

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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k.asanteTL2 Moderator26 Sep 2024 · edited#95
titration_diary, post #31: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor27 Sep 2024#96

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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n.duarteTL2 Moderator27 Sep 2024#97

Picking up post #94: that is the part I would want checked first.

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular27 Sep 2024#98

Coming back to post #96, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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d.vestergaardTL2 Moderator28 Sep 2024#99
i.dumitru, post #22: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

post #98 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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FairweatherTL2Member28 Sep 2024#100

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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d.magalhesTL2Member28 Sep 2024#101

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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a.coelhoTL2 Moderator28 Sep 2024#102

On post #98 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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cohort_watchTL2Member29 Sep 2024#103

Picking up post #100: that is the part I would want checked first.

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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ra.mensaTL2 Moderator29 Sep 2024#104
cannula_notes, post #82: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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DSakamotoTL3Regular29 Sep 2024#105

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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a.molnarTL2 Moderator30 Sep 2024#106

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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baseline_tableTL2Member30 Sep 2024 · edited#107

This follows post #104 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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am.wikstromTL2 Moderator30 Sep 2024#108
k.haddad, post #74: Worth separating two things that post #70 runs together. Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic. Go to post

I read post #106 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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m.lindqvistTL2 Moderator30 Sep 2024#109

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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r.restrepoTL2 Moderator1 Oct 2024#110
m.nwosu, post #50: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

32 likes in reply to #50 22mo
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m.brobergTL2 Moderator1 Oct 2024#111
VPoulsen, post #98: Coming back to post #96, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

I read post #109 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

3 likes in reply to #98 22mo
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c.bakkerTL2 Moderator1 Oct 2024#112
k.haddad, post #74: Worth separating two things that post #70 runs together. Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic. Go to post

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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j.nascimentoTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2024#113

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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n.moreauTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2024#114

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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p.mbekiTL22 Oct 2024#115
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a.friskTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2024#116
a.almeida, post #89: Coming back to post #87, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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t.ndiayeTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2024#117

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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t.demirTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2024#118

post #117 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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c.amankwahTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2024#119

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club4 Oct 2024#120
DSakamoto, post #105: Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

3 likes in reply to #105 22mo