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Progressive overload when the scale is falling — one year on posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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r.mensaTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2024#61
j.restrepo, post #36: I read post #34 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited. Go to post

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner16 Sep 2024#62

post #61 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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a.jansenTL2 Moderator17 Sep 2024#63

I read post #61 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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m.dalgaardTL3Regular17 Sep 2024#64

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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e.adeyemiTL2 Moderator17 Sep 2024#65
titration_diary, post #31: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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policy_readerTL2Regular18 Sep 2024#66

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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m.mwangiTL218 Sep 2024#67
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g.tanakaTL3Regular18 Sep 2024 · edited#68
t.varga, post #48: post #47 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited. Go to post

Picking up post #65: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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r.laurentTL2 Moderator19 Sep 2024 · edited#69

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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a.adebayoTL219 Sep 2024#70
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PSkarbekTL3Regular19 Sep 2024#71
c.wijnberg, post #39: Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range. Go to post

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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t.abubakarTL2 Moderator20 Sep 2024#72
TL4_Halvorsen, post #56: Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery. Go to post

Intensity: using weights that allow 6 to 12 reps before fatigue is a reasonable range for preserving muscle. Heavier weights with lower reps can work but require more recovery.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular20 Sep 2024#73

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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k.haddadTL2 Moderator20 Sep 2024#74

Worth separating two things that post #70 runs together.

Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic.

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excursion_checkTL3Regular20 Sep 2024#75
o.abrahamsen, post #49: Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment. Go to post

Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning.

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a.hartmannTL2 Moderator21 Sep 2024 · edited#76

Programming while losing weight quickly: realistic expectations are crucial. Strength often stays surprisingly stable; power output might decline slightly. Expecting gains during an energy deficit sets yourself up for disappointment.

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taper_tableTL321 Sep 2024#77
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m.agyemanTL2 Moderator21 Sep 2024#78

On post #74 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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v.sjobergTL2 Moderator22 Sep 2024#79
s.chowdhury, post #60: Adaptation and plateau: if strength does not change for weeks, that is stability, not backsliding. Expecting continuous progress during weight loss is unrealistic. Go to post

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator22 Sep 2024#80

I read post #78 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

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b.brandtTL2 Moderator22 Sep 2024#81

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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cannula_notesTL223 Sep 2024#82
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am.wikstromTL2 Moderator23 Sep 2024#83

On post #79 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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IbrahimoviTL2Member23 Sep 2024 · edited#84
v.sjoberg, post #79: Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training. Go to post

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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z.nakamuraTL2 Moderator24 Sep 2024#85
an.zamora, post #44: I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient. Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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DSakamotoTL3Regular24 Sep 2024#86

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

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c.kuuselaTL2 Moderator24 Sep 2024#87

Worth separating two things that post #83 runs together.

Deload weeks: periodic weeks (every 4 to 8 weeks) with reduced volume and intensity can help with recovery and sometimes reveal strength gains that got obscured by fatigue.

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taper_fileTL3Regular24 Sep 2024#88

post #87 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Cardio and resistance: the interaction between energy-intense cardiovascular training and resistance training is real. Moderate cardio is fine; excessive endurance training can interfere with muscle maintenance.

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a.almeidaTL2 Moderator25 Sep 2024 · edited#89
bac_water, post #37: post #36 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Post-weight-loss training: once weight loss is complete and energy deficit ends, training can shift to building again. The transition from preservation mode to building mode is real and worth planning. Go to post

Coming back to post #87, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Maintenance is the goal: preserving lean mass and strength during weight loss is the goal of resistance training in this context, not building new muscle. That goal is usually achievable with consistent, moderate training.

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p.silvaTL2 Moderator25 Sep 2024#90

Picking up post #87: that is the part I would want checked first.

Recovery: heavier training on a energy deficit and on a compound that slows gastric emptying requires attention to recovery (sleep, nutrition, stress). Recovery capacity declines with deficit, so training volume might need adjustment.

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