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Revisiting: How to bring a laboratory report to an appointment usefully posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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c.niemelTL3Regular27 Sep 2024#61

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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r.mwangiTL2 Moderator28 Sep 2024#62

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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BramleyTL2Member28 Sep 2024#63
no.silva, post #46: HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #59 runs together.

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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r.chukwuTL2 Moderator28 Sep 2024#64

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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TavaresTL1Member29 Sep 2024#65

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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p.boatengTL2 Moderator29 Sep 2024 · edited#66
v.sjoberg, post #56: Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change. Go to post

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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l.chevalierTL3Regular29 Sep 2024#67
a.jansen, post #42: Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function. Go to post

On post #63 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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m.adebayoTL2 Moderator30 Sep 2024#68

post #67 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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z.yildizTL2 Moderator30 Sep 2024#69

I read post #67 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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c.adebayoTL2 Moderator1 Oct 2024#70
Rodrigues, post #12: Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function. Go to post

This follows post #67 rather than contradicting it.

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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stopper_traceTL2Member1 Oct 2024#71

Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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n.kaufmannTL2 Moderator1 Oct 2024#72

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular2 Oct 2024#73
z.onwuka, post #55: Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal. Go to post

Picking up post #70: that is the part I would want checked first.

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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m.amankwahTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2024 · edited#74

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular2 Oct 2024#75

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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k.batistaTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2024#76

TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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methods_marginTL3Regular3 Oct 2024#77
c.boateng, post #50: post #49 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone. Go to post

This follows post #74 rather than contradicting it.

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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m.guerreroTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2024#78
m.adebayo, post #68: post #67 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

I read post #76 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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TamburelloTL2Member4 Oct 2024 · edited#79

post #78 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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v.okonkwoTL2 Moderator4 Oct 2024#80

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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v.bhattacharyaTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2024#81

Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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s.duarteTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2024#82
Tamburello, post #79: post #78 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c. Go to post

post #81 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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t.wojcikTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2024#83

Coming back to post #81, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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j.dahlbergTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2024#84

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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b.okonkwoTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2024 · edited#85

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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f.fonsecaTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2024#86
m.amankwah, post #74: Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results. Go to post

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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hana.satoTL4 Moderator7 Oct 2024#87
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I read post #85 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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f.amankwahTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2024#88

This follows post #85 rather than contradicting it.

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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to.vargaTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2024#89

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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cohort_driftTL3Regular8 Oct 2024#90

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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