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Revisiting: How to bring a laboratory report to an appointment usefully

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s.balogunTL2 Moderator29 Aug 2024#1

Revisiting: How to bring a laboratory report to an appointment usefully — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise.

I have a panel in front of me with one value outside the reference interval and everything else within it. My instinct is that a single out-of-range result on a single draw is close to uninformative, and I would like to understand how the people who read these professionally think about that.

What I am actually asking is how to tell an interesting result from an uninteresting one before booking an appointment about it.

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vial_tableTL2Member30 Aug 2024#2

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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s.salgadoTL2 Moderator31 Aug 2024#3
s.balogun, post #1: Revisiting: How to bring a laboratory report to an appointment usefully — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise. I have a panel in… Go to post

On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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integrator_logTL3Regular1 Sep 2024#4
s.salgado, post #3: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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l.cabreraTL2 Moderator1 Sep 2024#5

Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

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sterile_fileTL3Regular2 Sep 2024#6

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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c.marchettiTL2 Moderator3 Sep 2024#7

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular3 Sep 2024#8
c.marchetti, post #7: Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same. Go to post

post #7 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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i.wojcikTL2 Moderator4 Sep 2024#9

Coming back to post #7, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular5 Sep 2024#10
vial_table, post #2: Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial. Go to post

Picking up post #7: that is the part I would want checked first.

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

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ni.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator5 Sep 2024#11

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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RodriguesTL3Regular6 Sep 2024#12

Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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h.brandtTL2 Moderator6 Sep 2024#13
DOdendaal, post #8: post #7 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c. Go to post

post #12 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular7 Sep 2024#14

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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k.pereiraTL2 Moderator7 Sep 2024 · edited#15

This follows post #12 rather than contradicting it.

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

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r.venkatesanTL38 Sep 2024#16
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au.pereiraTL2 Moderator8 Sep 2024#17
Rodrigues, post #12: Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function. Go to post

Biological variation: the person-to-person variation in a biomarker for a healthy person is larger than most people realize. Comparing your result to the reference interval is one thing; comparing your result today to your result from months ago is more sensitive to change.

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maintenance_modeTL3Regular9 Sep 2024#18

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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s.kuuselaTL2 Moderator9 Sep 2024#19

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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two_year_lineTL3Regular10 Sep 2024 · edited#20

HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c.

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m.ibarraTL2 Moderator10 Sep 2024#21

Liver enzymes: elevation does not specify cause. ALT and AST can rise from many things. Bilirubin helps narrow down the cause. Multiple markers together are more informative than one alone.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator11 Sep 2024#22
two_year_line, post #20: HbA1c and glucose: HbA1c reflects average glucose over months; a spot glucose measurement reflects the moment. Trending glucose downward while HbA1c stays flat is a different picture than glucose going up with HbA1c. Go to post
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TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem.

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m.brobergTL211 Sep 2024#23
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c.bakkerTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2024#24

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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r.ekstromTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2024 · edited#25

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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endo_fellow_rkTL3Endocrinology fellow13 Sep 2024#26
s.balogun, post #1: Revisiting: How to bring a laboratory report to an appointment usefully — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. General question, not a request for advice about my own care — I know the difference and I would rather be told to see my prescriber than get an answer that pretends otherwise. I have a panel in… Go to post

This follows post #23 rather than contradicting it.

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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t.dumitruTL2 Moderator13 Sep 2024#27
s.leclerc, post #22: TSH and free hormones: TSH is a reasonable screening test but does not tell you about actual free hormone levels. If TSH is abnormal, free thyroid hormones confirm whether there is a real thyroid problem. Go to post

Reference intervals: constructed to contain the central 95% of a reference population, which means one in twenty healthy people falls outside one by definition. Add biological variation and analytical imprecision and the base rate of a meaningless flag is substantial.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist14 Sep 2024#28

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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t.ndiayeTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2024#29

Coming back to post #27, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the interval, a pattern that coheres with other values, or symptoms that fit.

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t.demirTL2 Moderator15 Sep 2024#30

Picking up post #27: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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