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Semaglutide half-life: where the 165 to 184 hour figure comes from — what changed since

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h.bakkerTL2 Moderator17 Aug 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Semaglutide half-life: where the 165 to 184 hour figure comes from — what changed since Everything below is what sits behind that.

Comparing STEP 8 (JAMA, 2022) with STEP 4 (JAMA, 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks.

Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and in one case a different estimand. People compare the headline percentages anyway, including me until recently.

Is there a defensible way to put these side by side, or is the honest answer that there is not and we should stop?

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appeals_deskTL3Regular22 Aug 2024#2

On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Gastric emptying delay is the mechanism behind most of the gastrointestinal side effects. Slowing the stomach empties it feeds less food into the intestines at a time, which is part of the satiety mechanism but is also why nausea is dose-dependent and titration-dependent.

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n.vukovicTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#3

Albumin binding is not a unique structural feature and nothing in the class lacks it, but the reversibility matters. Semaglutide binds albumin covalently through a fatty side chain, which creates a very long half-life at the cost of sequestering the free form. That is a trade-off and it is the trade-off that allows weekly dosing.

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plateau_notesTL2Regular29 Aug 2024#4

The mass figure differs between sources because of how the different entities report it. The monoisotopic mass of the bare peptide is one number; the mass including the acylation is another. Different sources emphasise different details.

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c.haddadTL2 Moderator31 Aug 2024#5
appeals_desk, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Gastric emptying delay is the mechanism behind most of the gastrointestinal side effects. Slowing the stomach empties it feeds less food into the intestines at a time, which is part of the satiety mechanism but is also why nausea is dose-dependent and… Go to post

Is there a ceiling dose beyond which the effect plateaus? The trials did not study that because they stopped at 2.4 mg. Some people report trying higher doses, but trial data is absent and off-label dosing enters territory this site does not advise on.

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resistance_firstTL2Regular3 Sep 2024#6

Worth separating two things that post #2 runs together.

The 165 to 184 hour range: that is roughly 7 to 7.6 days, which is why the weekly schedule works. Below 4 half-lives you are not approaching steady state yet, which is the pharmacological argument for the four-week step interval.

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a.teixeiraTL2 Moderator6 Sep 2024#7

This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it.

Approved indications differ by jurisdiction and change. As of mid-2026 the weight-management indication is approved in many European jurisdictions but not all, and access is still narrower in others. For your own region, check the regulatory website rather than a forum summary.

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k.brandl_deTL3Translator · DE8 Sep 2024 · edited#8
appeals_desk, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Gastric emptying delay is the mechanism behind most of the gastrointestinal side effects. Slowing the stomach empties it feeds less food into the intestines at a time, which is part of the satiety mechanism but is also why nausea is dose-dependent and… Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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a.nascimentoTL2 Moderator11 Sep 2024#9

The opalescent appearance in semaglutide solutions is occasionally noted and the mechanism is unclear. It does not appear to correlate with product failure in practice. Visible particles or frank cloudiness is different and would be reason to contact the supplier.

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d.bramleyTL3Regular13 Sep 2024#10

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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i.dumitruTL2 Moderator17 Sep 2024#12

The C-cell question: semaglutide triggered medullary thyroid carcinoma in rodent toxicology studies. A signal in rodents does not automatically appear in humans, but it is the reason the compound is contraindicated in people with personal or family history of medullary thyroid carcinoma or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2.

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RidgewayTL3Regular20 Sep 2024#13
endpoint_line, post #11: Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. On alcohol: the labelling does not contraindicate it, but it raises gastric irritation risk and semaglutide already does that. There is no published interaction study and the conservative position is to limit it if you are titrating or if… Go to post

Semaglutide versus liraglutide in STEP 8: semaglutide produced greater weight reduction and the discontinuation rates differed. But the trial was open-label for the dosing schedule, which admits expectation effects. Weekly versus daily itself is part of the comparison, not a confounding variable to be removed.

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s.demirTL2 Moderator22 Sep 2024#14

post #13 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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l.aaltonenTL3Regular24 Sep 2024#15

I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

The SELECT trial changed the positioning because it was the first cardiovascular outcome trial in people without diabetes. That decoupled the cardiovascular argument from glycaemic control, which is why it mattered beyond its own numbers.

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p.onwukaTL2 Moderator26 Sep 2024#16

This follows post #13 rather than contradicting it.

The STEP programme populations were selected: enrollment criteria required baseline body mass index over 30, no recent blood pressure crisis, no recent retinopathy, no renal disease at the time. Applying results from that population to someone well outside it is an extrapolation and should be called one.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular28 Sep 2024#17
Ridgeway, post #13: Semaglutide versus liraglutide in STEP 8: semaglutide produced greater weight reduction and the discontinuation rates differed. But the trial was open-label for the dosing schedule, which admits expectation effects. Weekly versus daily itself is part of the comparison, not a confounding variable to be removed. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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in.guerreroTL2 Moderator30 Sep 2024 · edited#18
d.bramley, post #10: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Albumin binding is not a unique structural feature and nothing in the class lacks it, but the reversibility matters. Semaglutide binds albumin covalently through a fatty side chain, which creates a very long half-life at the cost of sequestering the free form. That is a trade-off and it is the trade-off that allows weekly dosing.

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ZieglerTL3Regular2 Oct 2024#19

The 165 to 184 hour range: that is roughly 7 to 7.6 days, which is why the weekly schedule works. Below 4 half-lives you are not approaching steady state yet, which is the pharmacological argument for the four-week step interval.

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m.dumitruTL2 Moderator4 Oct 2024#20

Picking up post #17: that is the part I would want checked first.

Is there a ceiling dose beyond which the effect plateaus? The trials did not study that because they stopped at 2.4 mg. Some people report trying higher doses, but trial data is absent and off-label dosing enters territory this site does not advise on.

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s.duarteTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2024#21
i.dumitru, post #12: The C-cell question: semaglutide triggered medullary thyroid carcinoma in rodent toxicology studies. A signal in rodents does not automatically appear in humans, but it is the reason the compound is contraindicated in people with personal or family history of medullary thyroid carcinoma or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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v.bhattacharyaTL2 Moderator8 Oct 2024#22

Coming back to post #20, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Gastric emptying delay is the mechanism behind most of the gastrointestinal side effects. Slowing the stomach empties it feeds less food into the intestines at a time, which is part of the satiety mechanism but is also why nausea is dose-dependent and titration-dependent.

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a.salcedoTL3Regular10 Oct 2024 · edited#23

post #22 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

The mass figure differs between sources because of how the different entities report it. The monoisotopic mass of the bare peptide is one number; the mass including the acylation is another. Different sources emphasise different details.

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m.yilmazTL2 Moderator11 Oct 2024#24

The SELECT trial changed the positioning because it was the first cardiovascular outcome trial in people without diabetes. That decoupled the cardiovascular argument from glycaemic control, which is why it mattered beyond its own numbers.

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f.abrahamsenTL2Member13 Oct 2024#25
i.dumitru, post #12: The C-cell question: semaglutide triggered medullary thyroid carcinoma in rodent toxicology studies. A signal in rodents does not automatically appear in humans, but it is the reason the compound is contraindicated in people with personal or family history of medullary thyroid carcinoma or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2. Go to post

Semaglutide versus liraglutide in STEP 8: semaglutide produced greater weight reduction and the discontinuation rates differed. But the trial was open-label for the dosing schedule, which admits expectation effects. Weekly versus daily itself is part of the comparison, not a confounding variable to be removed.

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ka.haddadTL2 Moderator15 Oct 2024#26

The opalescent appearance in semaglutide solutions is occasionally noted and the mechanism is unclear. It does not appear to correlate with product failure in practice. Visible particles or frank cloudiness is different and would be reason to contact the supplier.

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g.haalandTL3Regular17 Oct 2024#27

post #26 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Approved indications differ by jurisdiction and change. As of mid-2026 the weight-management indication is approved in many European jurisdictions but not all, and access is still narrower in others. For your own region, check the regulatory website rather than a forum summary.

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s.beaulieuTL2 Moderator19 Oct 2024#28

Worth separating two things that post #24 runs together.

The C-cell question: semaglutide triggered medullary thyroid carcinoma in rodent toxicology studies. A signal in rodents does not automatically appear in humans, but it is the reason the compound is contraindicated in people with personal or family history of medullary thyroid carcinoma or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2.

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c.ostergaardTL2 Moderator21 Oct 2024#29

On alcohol: the labelling does not contraindicate it, but it raises gastric irritation risk and semaglutide already does that. There is no published interaction study and the conservative position is to limit it if you are titrating or if gastrointestinal symptoms are troublesome.

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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist22 Oct 2024#30
h.bakker, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Semaglutide half-life: where the 165 to 184 hour figure comes from — what changed since Everything below is what sits behind that. Comparing STEP 8 ( JAMA , 2022) with STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different… Go to post

The 165 to 184 hour range: that is roughly 7 to 7.6 days, which is why the weekly schedule works. Below 4 half-lives you are not approaching steady state yet, which is the pharmacological argument for the four-week step interval.

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