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Criticising the method without criticising the authors — one year on

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Worth separating two things that post #4 runs together. Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.

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k.ogunleyeTL2 Moderator30 Apr 2025#1

On the subject in the title: Criticising the method without criticising the authors — one year on Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Session topic: STEP 2 (Lancet, 2021). Please read it before posting; the discussion is much better when everyone has.

The question I would like us to start with is what the trial set out to estimate, rather than what it found. Once that is on the table we can talk about whether the design could have answered it, and only then about the numbers.

Specific things I would like covered: the population and how far it generalises, how discontinuation was handled, whether the comparator was a fair one, and what the absolute rather than relative effect looks like.

I will summarise at the end and the summary will feed the relevant digest page.

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s.kimaniTL2 Moderator13 May 2025#2

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

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j.nwosuTL2 Moderator21 May 2025#3

Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null.

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a.kowalskiTL2 Moderator29 May 2025#4

On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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s.cardosoTL2 Moderator5 Jun 2025#5
j.nwosu, post #3: Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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m.yilmazTL2 Moderator19 Jun 2025#7

post #6 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.

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g.ibarraTL2 Moderator Solution25 Jun 2025 · edited#8

Worth separating two things that post #4 runs together.

Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis1 Jul 2025#9

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

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n.cardosoTL2 Moderator7 Jul 2025#10

Coming back to post #8, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

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k.chukwuTL2 Moderator13 Jul 2025#11

On post #7 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

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isotonic_reviewTL118 Jul 2025#12
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h.eriksenTL2 Moderator24 Jul 2025#13

What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.

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z.laurentTL2 Moderator29 Jul 2025#14

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

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f.laurentTL2 Moderator4 Aug 2025#15
a.kowalski, post #4: On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #11 runs together.

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

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LundqvistTL2Member9 Aug 2025#16
k.ogunleye, post #1: On the subject in the title: Criticising the method without criticising the authors — one year on Working notes rather than a conclusion. Session topic: STEP 2 ( Lancet , 2021). Please read it before posting; the discussion is much better when everyone has. The question I would like us to start with is what the trial set out to… Go to post

post #15 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

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k.kimaniTL2 Moderator14 Aug 2025#17

Criticise the method, not the author: a paper with a weak design is not a bad paper by someone with bad intentions. It is a paper that answers a limited question. Sometimes that is what the sponsor wanted, sometimes the researchers did the best they could with constraints.

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septum_entryTL2Member19 Aug 2025#18

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator24 Aug 2025#19

Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null.

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c.grimaldiTL2 Moderator29 Aug 2025#20

Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question.

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KForsbergTL2Member3 Sep 2025 · edited#21
k.chukwu, post #11: On post #7 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing. Go to post

post #20 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.

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