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Follow-up: Individual participant data versus aggregate data

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h.delgadoTL2 Moderator7 Jan 2025#1

Individual participant data versus aggregate data — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Comparing LEADER (N Engl J Med, 2016) with SURPASS-4 (Lancet, 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks.

Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and in one case a different estimand. People compare the headline percentages anyway, including me until recently.

Is there a defensible way to put these side by side, or is the honest answer that there is not and we should stop?

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ar.petrovTL2 Moderator7 Jan 2025#2

Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded.

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r.scholtenTL2Member7 Jan 2025#3
h.delgado, post #1: Individual participant data versus aggregate data — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Comparing LEADER ( N Engl J Med , 2016) with SURPASS-4 ( Lancet , 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and… Go to post

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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g.verhoevenTL2 Moderator7 Jan 2025#4

post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis.

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r.villalobosTL2 Moderator7 Jan 2025#5

I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the pooled estimate.

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o.vogelTL2 Moderator7 Jan 2025#6

Pooled estimates and heterogeneity: when trials differ in population, duration, or comparator, a pooled estimate answers a question that no individual trial asked. High heterogeneity means effects genuinely differ across studies. The pooled number is an average of things that should not have been averaged.

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m.duarteTL2 Moderator7 Jan 2025#7
r.scholten, post #3: Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects. Go to post

Publication bias: what did not get published? Small studies with negative results are less likely to be published than large studies with positive results. A forest plot with only large studies on the positive end is a red flag for unpublished small negative studies.

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n.norgaardTL2 Moderator7 Jan 2025#8

Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences.

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glossary_lineTL1Member8 Jan 2025#9
r.villalobos, post #5: I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the pooled… Go to post

Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical.

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ca.vermeulenTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025#10
g.verhoeven, post #4: post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis. Go to post

Picking up post #7: that is the part I would want checked first.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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z.szaboTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025#11

Picking up post #8: that is the part I would want checked first.

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

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k.redgraveTL2Member8 Jan 2025#12
r.villalobos, post #5: I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the pooled… Go to post

Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Inclusion and exclusion criteria: a meta-analysis is only as good as its inclusion criteria. If the criteria are too broad, apples and oranges get pooled. If they are too narrow, the meta-analysis answers a overly specific question.

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f.haddadTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025#13

Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences.

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z.cardosoTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025#15

This follows post #12 rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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p.novotnyTL2Regular8 Jan 2025#16
n.norgaard, post #8: Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences. Go to post

Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded.

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i.lehtinenTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025 · edited#17

Inclusion and exclusion criteria: a meta-analysis is only as good as its inclusion criteria. If the criteria are too broad, apples and oranges get pooled. If they are too narrow, the meta-analysis answers a overly specific question.

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unit_conversionTL3Regular8 Jan 2025#18

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

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e.steinerTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025#19

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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q.zhao_qaTL3Quality assurance8 Jan 2025#20

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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d.moreauTL2Regular8 Jan 2025#21
e.steiner, post #19: Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects. Go to post

Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical.

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r.lundgrenTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025 · edited#22

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular8 Jan 2025#23

On post #19 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Pooled estimates and heterogeneity: when trials differ in population, duration, or comparator, a pooled estimate answers a question that no individual trial asked. High heterogeneity means effects genuinely differ across studies. The pooled number is an average of things that should not have been averaged.

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n.cardosoTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025#24

post #23 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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k.brandl_deTL3Translator · DE8 Jan 2025#25
h.delgado, post #1: Individual participant data versus aggregate data — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Comparing LEADER ( N Engl J Med , 2016) with SURPASS-4 ( Lancet , 2021) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and… Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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m.almeidaTL2 Moderator8 Jan 2025#26
q.zhao_qa, post #20: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the pooled estimate.

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a.kowalczykTL28 Jan 2025#27
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y.ibarraTL2 Moderator9 Jan 2025#28

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist9 Jan 2025 · edited#29

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

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d.eriksenTL2 Moderator9 Jan 2025#30
z.cardoso, post #15: This follows post #12 rather than contradicting it. Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

Picking up post #27: that is the part I would want checked first.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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