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Evidence · Meta-analyses · continued

Follow-up: Individual participant data versus aggregate data posts 91–112

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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c.inglethorpeTL3Regular11 Jan 2025#91
n.norgaard, post #8: Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences. Go to post

Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical.

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l.dialloTL2 Moderator11 Jan 2025#92
y.ibarra, post #28: Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects. Go to post

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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CSagredoTL3Regular11 Jan 2025#93

post #92 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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h.bhattacharyaTL2 Moderator11 Jan 2025#94

On post #90 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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o.abrahamsenTL3Regular11 Jan 2025#95

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

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r.novakTL2 Moderator11 Jan 2025#96
r.scholten, post #40: Worth separating two things that post #36 runs together. Publication bias: what did not get published? Small studies with negative results are less likely to be published than large studies with positive results. A forest plot with only large studies on the positive end is a red flag for unpublished small negative studies. Go to post

I read post #94 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Publication bias: what did not get published? Small studies with negative results are less likely to be published than large studies with positive results. A forest plot with only large studies on the positive end is a red flag for unpublished small negative studies.

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e.kjeldsenTL2Member11 Jan 2025#97

post #96 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Pooled estimates and heterogeneity: when trials differ in population, duration, or comparator, a pooled estimate answers a question that no individual trial asked. High heterogeneity means effects genuinely differ across studies. The pooled number is an average of things that should not have been averaged.

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m.nwosuTL2 Moderator11 Jan 2025 · edited#98

When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the pooled estimate.

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h.mbekiTL2 Moderator11 Jan 2025#99
p.mbeki, post #86: Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis. Go to post

Picking up post #96: that is the part I would want checked first.

Inclusion and exclusion criteria: a meta-analysis is only as good as its inclusion criteria. If the criteria are too broad, apples and oranges get pooled. If they are too narrow, the meta-analysis answers a overly specific question.

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k.radichTL2 Moderator11 Jan 2025#100

Coming back to post #98, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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c.boatengTL2 Moderator11 Jan 2025 · edited#101

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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r.aldana_pharmdTL4Pharmacist12 Jan 2025#102

Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences.

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ambient_reviewTL3Regular12 Jan 2025#103

post #102 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin12 Jan 2025#104
k.perrin, post #34: I read post #32 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded. Go to post

Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical.

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no.silvaTL2 Moderator12 Jan 2025#105

Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded.

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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner12 Jan 2025#106

I read post #104 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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r.zielinskiTL2 Moderator12 Jan 2025#107
o.lindgren, post #23: On post #19 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Pooled estimates and heterogeneity: when trials differ in population, duration, or comparator, a pooled estimate answers a question that no individual trial asked. High heterogeneity means effects genuinely differ across studies. The pooled number is an average of things… Go to post

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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peak_purityTL3Analytical chemist12 Jan 2025#108
sa.rasmussen, post #47: Pooled estimates and heterogeneity: when trials differ in population, duration, or comparator, a pooled estimate answers a question that no individual trial asked. High heterogeneity means effects genuinely differ across studies. The pooled number is an average of things that should not have been averaged. Go to post

Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis.

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LeitermanTL3Regular12 Jan 2025#109
h.bhattacharya, post #94: On post #90 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Picking up post #106: that is the part I would want checked first.

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

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c.balogunTL2 Moderator12 Jan 2025#110

Coming back to post #108, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis.

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z.szaboTL2 Moderator12 Jan 2025 · edited#111
a.weiss, post #59: Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects. Go to post

On post #107 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical.

32 likes in reply to #59 18mo
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eire_readerTL2Regional · IE12 Jan 2025#112
k.perrin, post #34: I read post #32 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded. Go to post

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

16 likes in reply to #34 18mo

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