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Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — does this still hold?

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RidgewayTL3Regular10 Nov 2024#1

Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — does this still hold?

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 83 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular11 Nov 2024 · edited#2

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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m.agyemanTL2 Moderator12 Nov 2024#3

post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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excursion_checkTL3Regular13 Nov 2024#4
m.agyeman, post #3: post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point. Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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t.verhoevenTL2 Moderator14 Nov 2024#5
buffer_margin, post #2: Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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taper_tableTL3Regular15 Nov 2024#6

I read post #4 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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e.mensaTL2 Moderator16 Nov 2024#7

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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HRouhaniTL1Member16 Nov 2024#8

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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t.tullochTL2 Moderator17 Nov 2024#9
Ridgeway, post #1: Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — does this still hold? Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 83 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

Picking up post #6: that is the part I would want checked first.

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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vial_deskTL3Regular18 Nov 2024#10

Coming back to post #8, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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e.dalgleishTL3Regular19 Nov 2024#11
HRouhani, post #8: Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once. Go to post

On post #7 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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r.ilungaTL2 Moderator19 Nov 2024#12

post #11 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular20 Nov 2024 · edited#13

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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ma.balogunTL2 Moderator21 Nov 2024#14

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular21 Nov 2024#15
t.tulloch, post #9: Picking up post #6: that is the part I would want checked first. Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake. Go to post

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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b.wikstromTL2 Moderator22 Nov 2024#16

post #15 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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s.grahameTL2Member23 Nov 2024#17

I read post #15 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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e.roosTL2 Moderator23 Nov 2024#18

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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b.jankowiakTL3Regular24 Nov 2024#19

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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r.mensahTL2 Moderator24 Nov 2024#20

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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t.ibarraTL2 Moderator25 Nov 2024#21
DOdendaal, post #13: Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form. Go to post

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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IsaksenTL3Regular26 Nov 2024#22
e.roos, post #18: Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form. Go to post

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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t.batistaTL2 Moderator26 Nov 2024#23

This follows post #20 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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bench_peakTL3Regular27 Nov 2024#24

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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k.kuuselaTL2 Moderator27 Nov 2024 · edited#25
s.grahame, post #17: I read post #15 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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footnote_entryTL3Regular28 Nov 2024#26

On post #22 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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n.achebeTL2 Moderator29 Nov 2024#27

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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t.nardoneTL3Regular29 Nov 2024#28

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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r.chukwuTL2 Moderator30 Nov 2024#29

post #28 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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BramleyTL2Member30 Nov 2024#30
e.roos, post #18: Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form. Go to post

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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