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Oxidation pathways for methionine and tryptophan

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g.valckenaereTL3Regular24 Dec 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Oxidation pathways for methionine and tryptophan Everything below is what sits behind that.

Working through the identity arithmetic and I would like it checked.

retatrutide has a monoisotopic mass close to 4731.3 Da. On an electrospray instrument I would expect to see the multiply charged series rather than the intact singly charged ion, so for the doubly charged species I calculate (4731.3 + 2 x 1.00728) / 2, and for the triply charged the analogous expression.

The observed values in the report sit within a few ppm of those. My question is what that actually establishes, because I have seen people treat a mass match as a purity result and I do not think it is one.

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q.zhao_qaTL3Quality assurance24 Dec 2024 · edited#2

On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis.

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i.lehtinenTL2 Moderator24 Dec 2024#3

Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first.

Dimer and higher-order multimers: two or more peptide molecules bonded together. They appear at double the mass and higher. They may or may not separate from the monomer on HPLC depending on the method.

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unit_conversionTL3Regular25 Dec 2024#4
q.zhao_qa, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis. Go to post

Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated.

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z.cardosoTL2 Moderator25 Dec 2024#5

Related substances: compounds chemically related to the target peptide but not the target peptide itself. The standard method separates them and reports them as area percent. How related they can be before they exceed specification is a regulatory question.

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p.novotnyTL2Regular25 Dec 2024#6

Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back.

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f.haddadTL2 Moderator25 Dec 2024#7

This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it.

Residual solvents: traces of solvents used in purification. These are usually tested by gas chromatography, not by HPLC. A specification for residual solvents should be stated separately from the purity.

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eire_readerTL2Regional · IE25 Dec 2024#8
unit_conversion, post #4: Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated. Go to post

I read post #6 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Acetate content: counter-ion content. Trifluoroacetate or acetate from the salt form of the peptide. Affects mass calculations and should be stated on a complete certificate.

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z.szaboTL2 Moderator25 Dec 2024#9

post #8 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Incomplete deprotection: mass higher by the protecting group mass. Usually markedly later eluting. A synthesis artifact from incomplete removal of protecting groups.

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k.redgraveTL2Member26 Dec 2024#10

Aggregates: multiples of the monomer mass. May not elute at all under a standard reversed-phase method. A species that does not come off the column does not appear in the area percentage.

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d.nilsenTL2 Moderator26 Dec 2024#11
p.novotny, post #6: Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back. Go to post

Off-target structures: if the sequence synthesis goes wrong, a completely different amino acid can be incorporated. The resulting off-target peptide is a structural isomer with the same mass but a different sequence. No chromatographic purity method detects this without a reference standard.

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c.marchettiTL2 Moderator26 Dec 2024#13

Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular26 Dec 2024#14

Residual solvents: traces of solvents used in purification. These are usually tested by gas chromatography, not by HPLC. A specification for residual solvents should be stated separately from the purity.

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n.szaboTL2 Moderator26 Dec 2024#15

Aggregates: multiples of the monomer mass. May not elute at all under a standard reversed-phase method. A species that does not come off the column does not appear in the area percentage.

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OkaforTL3Regular26 Dec 2024#16
unit_conversion, post #4: Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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f.ibarraTL2 Moderator26 Dec 2024 · edited#17

Worth separating two things that post #13 runs together.

Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage.

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septum_checkTL1Member27 Dec 2024#18

Oxidation at methionine and tryptophan: adds 16 per oxygen. Usually elutes earlier. Oxidation is common in storage, especially if the solution is exposed to light or if antioxidants are not present.

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ca.haddadTL2 Moderator27 Dec 2024#19

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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v.klausenTL3Regular27 Dec 2024 · edited#20
i.lehtinen, post #3: Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first. Dimer and higher-order multimers: two or more peptide molecules bonded together. They appear at double the mass and higher. They may or may not separate from the monomer on HPLC depending on the method. Go to post

Off-target structures: if the sequence synthesis goes wrong, a completely different amino acid can be incorporated. The resulting off-target peptide is a structural isomer with the same mass but a different sequence. No chromatographic purity method detects this without a reference standard.

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n.brobergTL2 Moderator27 Dec 2024#21

Picking up post #18: that is the part I would want checked first.

Deletion sequences (incomplete coupling during synthesis): lower in mass by one residue. Chromatographically they usually elute earlier or later depending on the residue's hydrophobicity. They are the most common impurity in solid-phase synthesis.

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orbitrap_olaTL3Mass spectrometrist27 Dec 2024#22

Incomplete deprotection: mass higher by the protecting group mass. Usually markedly later eluting. A synthesis artifact from incomplete removal of protecting groups.

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m.perrinTL2 Moderator27 Dec 2024#23

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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s.karlsen_rphTL3Pharmacist27 Dec 2024#24
c.marchetti, post #13: Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage. Go to post

Truncation products: fragments from incomplete synthesis or from degradation. They elute quite differently from the intact peptide because they are much smaller and have different hydrophobicity. They are usually well separated.

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f.sjobergTL2 Moderator27 Dec 2024#25

This follows post #22 rather than contradicting it.

Related substances: compounds chemically related to the target peptide but not the target peptide itself. The standard method separates them and reports them as area percent. How related they can be before they exceed specification is a regulatory question.

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator27 Dec 2024#26
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I read post #24 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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m.lehtinenTL2 Moderator28 Dec 2024 · edited#27

Acetate content: counter-ion content. Trifluoroacetate or acetate from the salt form of the peptide. Affects mass calculations and should be stated on a complete certificate.

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c.cardosoTL2 Moderator28 Dec 2024#28
c.marchetti, post #13: Deamidation at asparagine and glutamine: adds 1 approximately. Frequently appears as a close-eluting pair. It is a chemical modification that occurs during storage. Go to post

Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back.

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n.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator28 Dec 2024#29
c.cardoso, post #28: Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back. Go to post

Dimer and higher-order multimers: two or more peptide molecules bonded together. They appear at double the mass and higher. They may or may not separate from the monomer on HPLC depending on the method.

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c.okaforTL3Regular28 Dec 2024#30

Coming back to post #28, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Disulfide formation: if a peptide contains cysteine, it can form disulfide bonds with itself or with other molecules. Under oxidising conditions multiple species appear. Reducing conditions (like DTT) convert them back.

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