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Reverse causation in a cohort study of weight and outcome — a second dataset posts 121–132

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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c.niemelTL3Regular16 Sep 2025#121
taper_shift, post #17: This follows post #14 rather than contradicting it. Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for. Go to post

Picking up post #118: that is the part I would want checked first.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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s.ferreiraTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2025#122

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

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BramleyTL2Member16 Sep 2025#123

Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question.

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n.dziedzicTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2025#124

On post #120 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

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cohort_driftTL316 Sep 2025#125
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r.chukwuTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2025#126

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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l.chevalierTL3Regular16 Sep 2025 · edited#127

post #126 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null.

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p.boatengTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2025#128
to.varga, post #117: Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #124 runs together.

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

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bench_peakTL3Regular16 Sep 2025#129

What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.

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m.ndiayeTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2025 · edited#130
ma.nascimento, post #20: Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null. Go to post

Coming back to post #128, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Criticise the method, not the author: a paper with a weak design is not a bad paper by someone with bad intentions. It is a paper that answers a limited question. Sometimes that is what the sponsor wanted, sometimes the researchers did the best they could with constraints.

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c.draganovTL116 Sep 2025#131
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v.kjaerTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2025#132

post #131 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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