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Spreadsheets: an appreciation — what changed since posts 91–114

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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m.amankwahTL25 Jul 2026#91

Two claims get bundled together under Spreadsheets and they need separating. The descriptive one — this is what was observed — is usually well supported. The causal one — this is why — usually is not.

Almost every disagreement in threads like this one dissolves once you say which of the two you are making.

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NLoughranTL3Regular6 Jul 2026#92

Since the Lounge tolerates a digression: the thing I find most interesting about this community is how much of the useful material is negative. Half the value is knowing what a document does not establish.

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n.kaufmannTL27 Jul 2026#93
b.teixeira, post #29: Reading back through the Spreadsheets threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap. Go to post

Lounge-level thought to close on: the measure of this place is that being wrong in public here is cheap. That is a design decision and it took work.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular8 Jul 2026#94
a.schaeffer, post #50: Community norms: if you want to discuss how the community should work (not moderation decisions, which go in Meta) the Lounge is a place for that casual discussion. Go to post

Adding a null result on Spreadsheets. I looked, carefully, and found nothing, and null results deserve posting precisely because they never are.

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m.guerreroTL29 Jul 2026#95

Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is.

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stopper_traceTL2Member10 Jul 2026#96

Humour: light, relevant humour is welcome. Cruel humour targeting individuals or groups is not.

A partial answer, offered because a partial answer beats none.

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k.batistaTL211 Jul 2026#97
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methods_marginTL3Regular12 Jul 2026#98
buffer_sheet, post #62: Sensible. I would want the same detail before I acted on it either. Go to post

The strongest argument against my own position on Spreadsheets, stated as well as I can state it, since nobody else has yet.

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n.boatengTL213 Jul 2026#99
m.guerrero, post #95: Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is. Go to post

Politics and public policy: healthcare policy that affects access to these compounds is relevant here. Partisan politics is not.

I would want a second opinion before relying on that.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular14 Jul 2026#100

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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j.ivaturiTL215 Jul 2026#101

The failure mode on Spreadsheets is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.

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b.oylerTL1Member16 Jul 2026#102
impurity_table, post #89: That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth. Go to post

Adding a note of thanks rather than an opinion. I did not know most of that.

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e.mbekiTL217 Jul 2026#103

Spreadsheets is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers.

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revision_historyTL3Wiki editor18 Jul 2026#104

Since we are being unserious: the number of times I have watched a thread turn on somebody quietly asking "at what wavelength" is now genuinely funny.

I have kept the units in throughout, for the obvious reason.

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s.roosTL219 Jul 2026#105

An honest declaration on Spreadsheets: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.

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g.valckenaereTL3Regular20 Jul 2026#106
e.mbeki, post #103: Spreadsheets is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers. Go to post

Something I have wondered without ever asking: is there a good reason the vocabulary in this field is so inconsistent between suppliers? Half the disagreements here start as terminology.

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m.ramosTL221 Jul 2026#107

Mildly off-topic appreciation: whoever maintains the storage-conditions document has kept it current through three revisions without ever overstating what the underlying data supports. That is hard.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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desiccant_notesTL2Member21 Jul 2026 · edited#108

Having read the whole Spreadsheets thread before replying: the question in the first post has not actually been answered yet, and three of us have answered a nearby one instead.

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n.serranoTL222 Jul 2026#109
isotonic_sheet, post #48: Bookmarking this. I will come back when I have something worth adding. Go to post

Marking my uncertainty on Spreadsheets explicitly. I am confident about the direction, much less confident about the size, and not confident at all that it generalises past the case in the first post.

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LeitermanTL3Regular23 Jul 2026#110
r.jhannsdttir, post #73: Seconded. It reads as careful rather than confident, which is the right register. Go to post

Humour: light, relevant humour is welcome. Cruel humour targeting individuals or groups is not.

The evidence for this is thinner than the way I have phrased it suggests.

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v.okonkwoTL224 Jul 2026#111

Right — I had this wrong and I am glad to have read it before it mattered.

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TamburelloTL2Member25 Jul 2026 · edited#112
s.roos, post #105: An honest declaration on Spreadsheets: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it. Go to post

I have three months of notes on Spreadsheets and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight.

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j.cabreraTL226 Jul 2026#113

A digression that keeps occurring to me: the most-linked documents here are the dullest ones. Nothing gets cited like the unit-arithmetic page.

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FFaulknerTL3Regular27 Jul 2026#114

Reframing Spreadsheets slightly, because I think the disagreement is about the question rather than the answer. If the question is "does it happen", yes. If it is "how often", nobody here knows.

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