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Comparing my trajectory with the trial curves, carefully

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Coming back to post #3, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular23 Apr 2025#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Comparing my trajectory with the trial curves, carefully Everything below is what sits behind that.

Maintenance rather than loss, which is the part of this that almost nobody writes about.

I have been at roughly the same weight for 11 months. The interesting questions are all different from the ones I had at the start, and the documentation here is much thinner on this phase.

I would like to compare notes with people who are further along, and I would like to know what the published evidence says about this phase specifically rather than by extrapolation.

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gradient_fileTL2Member30 Apr 2025#2

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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ca.vermeulenTL2 Moderator6 May 2025#3
gradient_file, post #2: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first.

Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling.

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WoodhouseTL2Member Solution10 May 2025#4
ca.vermeulen, post #3: Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first. Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling. Go to post

Coming back to post #3, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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z.vogelTL2 Moderator14 May 2025 · edited#5

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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diluent_watchTL2Member18 May 2025#6

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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o.nybergTL2 Moderator22 May 2025#7
ca.vermeulen, post #3: Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first. Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling. Go to post

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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ZieglerTL3Regular26 May 2025#8
z.vogel, post #5: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

I read post #6 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

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g.verhoevenTL2 Moderator29 May 2025#9

post #8 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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r.scholtenTL2Member2 Jun 2025#10

On post #6 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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n.ramosTL2 Moderator5 Jun 2025#11
diluent_watch, post #6: Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise. Go to post

Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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e.almeidaTL2Member8 Jun 2025#12

Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results.

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r.sobczakTL2 Moderator12 Jun 2025#13

Medication changes: escalating dose, or adding or removing other medications, can affect the rate of weight loss. Documenting medication changes alongside weight makes the record interpretable.

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RodriguesTL3Regular15 Jun 2025#14
e.almeida, post #12: Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results. Go to post

post #13 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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c.nybergTL2 Moderator18 Jun 2025#15
o.nyberg, post #7: Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise. Go to post

I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results.

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l.sarkissianTL2Member21 Jun 2025#16

This follows post #13 rather than contradicting it.

Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record.

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t.marchettiTL2 Moderator24 Jun 2025#17

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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IHollingworthTL227 Jun 2025#18
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ak.kravchenkoTL2 Moderator30 Jun 2025#19
o.nyberg, post #7: Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise. Go to post

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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t.steenkampTL2Member3 Jul 2025#20
ca.vermeulen, post #3: Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first. Rate of change: reporting progress as "lost 5 kg in 12 weeks" is more useful than "currently at 82 kg" because the rate tells you whether the change is steady, accelerating, or stalling. Go to post

Picking up post #17: that is the part I would want checked first.

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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s.achebeTL2 Moderator6 Jul 2025#21
g.verhoeven, post #9: post #8 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context. Go to post

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

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KnowltonTL3Regular9 Jul 2025#22

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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k.agyemanTL2 Moderator11 Jul 2025#23

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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VThorvaldsenTL3Regular14 Jul 2025#24

On post #20 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

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mi.almeidaTL2 Moderator17 Jul 2025#25
g.verhoeven, post #9: post #8 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context. Go to post

This follows post #22 rather than contradicting it.

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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n.torrenceTL3Regular20 Jul 2025#26

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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a.petrovTL2 Moderator22 Jul 2025#27

Protein intake and resistance training: both self-reported and therefore optimistic in most reports. Recording them anyway creates a record you can look back on.

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s.poulsenTL3Regular25 Jul 2025#28

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

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l.wikstromTL2 Moderator28 Jul 2025#29

Picking up post #26: that is the part I would want checked first.

Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record.

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f.kimaniTL2 Moderator30 Jul 2025#30
n.torrence, post #26: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Coming back to post #28, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Exercise volume changes: increasing exercise intensity or duration can mask weight loss (muscle gain) on the scale. Noting exercise changes when reporting weight helps interpret results.

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