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Research Methods · N-of-1 designs · continued

Washout with a one-week half-life: the arithmetic posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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f.haddadTL2 Moderator28 Nov 2024#31

Stopping rules: decide in advance when you will stop measuring (after a defined duration, after a defined number of measurements, or after a defined condition is met). Not deciding in advance means stopping when the result satisfies you, which is bias.

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eire_readerTL228 Nov 2024#32
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z.szaboTL2 Moderator28 Nov 2024#33
t.pereira, post #14: On post #10 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Blinding: blinding yourself (not knowing which condition you are in) removes expectation bias. This is hard to do with these compounds (the appetite suppression is hard to miss) but partial blinding is possible (measuring something objective without knowing whether you took… Go to post

This follows post #30 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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k.redgraveTL2Member29 Nov 2024#34

When to run an n-of-1: this design works when you want to know whether a treatment works for you, not whether it works in general. For that purpose, it is efficient.

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s.ivaturiTL2 Moderator29 Nov 2024#35

Generalisability: a robust n-of-1 result applies to you. It does not tell you much about whether the effect generalises to others similar to you, much less to people different from you.

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citation_peakTL3Regular29 Nov 2024#36
v.baptista, post #12: Confounding in personal experiments: other things change when you start a medication (season, exercise, diet, stress). Documenting those confounders helps you understand their contribution to the result. Go to post

On post #32 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Blinding: blinding yourself (not knowing which condition you are in) removes expectation bias. This is hard to do with these compounds (the appetite suppression is hard to miss) but partial blinding is possible (measuring something objective without knowing whether you took it today).

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ma.nascimentoTL2 Moderator29 Nov 2024#37
f.fenwick, post #20: Coming back to post #18, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Sample size in n-of-1: you are the sample. Repeated measurements (weekly weighings, daily mood scores) increase the power to detect a real effect even though n=1.

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l.parkinsonTL2Member29 Nov 2024#38

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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n.villalobosTL2 Moderator30 Nov 2024#39

post #38 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Washout periods: after stopping a medication, how long does it take for the effect to wash out? For compounds with a week-long half-life, roughly a month is needed to reach baseline. Using that washout period in a before-after design strengthens the inference.

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis30 Nov 2024 · edited#40
s.kimani, post #1: Washout with a one-week half-life: the arithmetic — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. I have seen LEADER ( N Engl J Med , 2016) cited in support of a claim I do not think it supports, twice this month, so I would like to work through what it actually shows. My reading is that the trial is sound for its… Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #36 runs together.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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trough_indexTL3Regular30 Nov 2024 · edited#41

Sample size in n-of-1: you are the sample. Repeated measurements (weekly weighings, daily mood scores) increase the power to detect a real effect even though n=1.

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a.norgaardTL2 Moderator30 Nov 2024#42

post #41 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Objective versus subjective measures: subjective measures (how you feel) are vulnerable to bias. Objective measures (weight, strength on a specific exercise) are less vulnerable but not immune.

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KTurkingtonTL3Regular30 Nov 2024#43
to.varga, post #25: I read post #23 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Confounding in personal experiments: other things change when you start a medication (season, exercise, diet, stress). Documenting those confounders helps you understand their contribution to the result. Go to post

I read post #41 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Blinding: blinding yourself (not knowing which condition you are in) removes expectation bias. This is hard to do with these compounds (the appetite suppression is hard to miss) but partial blinding is possible (measuring something objective without knowing whether you took it today).

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f.novakTL2 Moderator30 Nov 2024#44
e.lehtinen, post #16: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Statistical analysis of n-of-1 data: comparing before versus after with a t-test or similar is one approach. Plotting the data visually is another. Both are valid.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular1 Dec 2024#45

On post #41 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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mi.amankwahTL2 Moderator1 Dec 2024#46

post #45 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Generalisability: a robust n-of-1 result applies to you. It does not tell you much about whether the effect generalises to others similar to you, much less to people different from you.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular1 Dec 2024#47
eire_reader, post #32: Designing a personal experiment that could actually change your mind: that is the standard for an n-of-1 design. An experiment designed so that any result confirms what you already believed has not changed anything. Go to post

Confounding in personal experiments: other things change when you start a medication (season, exercise, diet, stress). Documenting those confounders helps you understand their contribution to the result.

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ne.laurentTL2 Moderator1 Dec 2024#48

When to run an n-of-1: this design works when you want to know whether a treatment works for you, not whether it works in general. For that purpose, it is efficient.

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integrator_traceTL2Member1 Dec 2024#49
LJankowiak, post #45: On post #41 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Stopping rules: decide in advance when you will stop measuring (after a defined duration, after a defined number of measurements, or after a defined condition is met). Not deciding in advance means stopping when the result satisfies you, which is bias.

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n.kirchnerTL2 Moderator2 Dec 2024 · edited#50

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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NorringtonTL3Regular2 Dec 2024#51
ne.laurent, post #48: When to run an n-of-1: this design works when you want to know whether a treatment works for you, not whether it works in general. For that purpose, it is efficient. Go to post

This follows post #48 rather than contradicting it.

Designing a personal experiment that could actually change your mind: that is the standard for an n-of-1 design. An experiment designed so that any result confirms what you already believed has not changed anything.

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d.achebeTL2 Moderator2 Dec 2024#52

Sample size in n-of-1: you are the sample. Repeated measurements (weekly weighings, daily mood scores) increase the power to detect a real effect even though n=1.

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NicolaidesTL3Regular2 Dec 2024#53

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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f.piresTL2 Moderator2 Dec 2024#54
n.villalobos, post #39: post #38 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Washout periods: after stopping a medication, how long does it take for the effect to wash out? For compounds with a week-long half-life, roughly a month is needed to reach baseline. Using that washout period in a before-after design strengthens the… Go to post

Confounding in personal experiments: other things change when you start a medication (season, exercise, diet, stress). Documenting those confounders helps you understand their contribution to the result.

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taper_fileTL3Regular2 Dec 2024 · edited#55

Picking up post #52: that is the part I would want checked first.

Generalisability: a robust n-of-1 result applies to you. It does not tell you much about whether the effect generalises to others similar to you, much less to people different from you.

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a.villalobosTL2 Moderator3 Dec 2024#56

Coming back to post #54, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular3 Dec 2024#57

Stopping rules: decide in advance when you will stop measuring (after a defined duration, after a defined number of measurements, or after a defined condition is met). Not deciding in advance means stopping when the result satisfies you, which is bias.

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h.krastevTL2 Moderator3 Dec 2024#58
citation_peak, post #36: On post #32 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Blinding: blinding yourself (not knowing which condition you are in) removes expectation bias. This is hard to do with these compounds (the appetite suppression is hard to miss) but partial blinding is possible (measuring something objective without knowing whether you took… Go to post

Designing a personal experiment that could actually change your mind: that is the standard for an n-of-1 design. An experiment designed so that any result confirms what you already believed has not changed anything.

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m.haddadTL2Regular3 Dec 2024#59
KTurkington, post #43: I read post #41 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Blinding: blinding yourself (not knowing which condition you are in) removes expectation bias. This is hard to do with these compounds (the appetite suppression is hard to miss) but partial blinding is possible (measuring something objective without knowing… Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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k.marchandTL2 Moderator3 Dec 2024#60
DKwiatkowski, post #57: Stopping rules: decide in advance when you will stop measuring (after a defined duration, after a defined number of measurements, or after a defined condition is met). Not deciding in advance means stopping when the result satisfies you, which is bias. Go to post

When to run an n-of-1: this design works when you want to know whether a treatment works for you, not whether it works in general. For that purpose, it is efficient.

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