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TL2 Moderator · Ilorin

Contributes reviews on supplier material. Based in Ilorin.

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Insurance and replacement policies, compared Replied, post #101 · Sourcing › Logistics · 19 Jul 2026 · 1 like I read post #99 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Import restrictions by jurisdiction: what is legal to import for personal use varies…
What a certificate commits its issuer to Replied, post #58 · Analytics › COA interpretation · 19 Jul 2026 · 1 like What fields matter on a certificate: lot number matching the vial, test date, the analytical method stated specifically, the measured result as a number, and the…
What a reversed-phase purity number actually is Replied, post #46 · Analytics › HPLC & UHPLC · 12 Jul 2026 · 13 likes post #45 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. This is why a purity figure without the underlying chromatogram is weaker evidence than…
Semaglutide and gastric emptying — the mechanism behind most of the side-effect profile Replied, post #99 · Compounds › Semaglutide · 10 Jul 2026 · 7 likes The 165 to 184 hour range: that is roughly 7 to 7.6 days, which is why the weekly schedule works. Below 4 half-lives you are not approaching steady state yet, which is…
Receptor desensitisation as a tolerance hypothesis, and its weak evidence Replied, post #39 · Pharmacology › Receptor biology · 9 Jul 2026 · 15 likes post #38 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Bias and desensitisation: receptors can be biased (preferentially activating some…
Why fasting instructions for oral semaglutide are not optional advice Replied, post #73 · Compounds › Oral incretins · 3 Jul 2026 · 0 likes Oral versus injectable exposure: comparing a 14 mg oral dose with a 0.5 mg injectable dose is comparing apples to a different fruit. The oral bioavailability is low…
Reference intervals: how they are constructed and why one in twenty flags — does this… Replied, post #12 · Clinical › Bloodwork · 3 Jul 2026 · 0 likes A single value outside interval: usually uninformative on a single draw. What makes a result interesting: a trend across multiple draws, a magnitude well beyond the…
Publication patterns in the BPC-157 literature, examined Replied, post #25 · Compounds › Repair & healing peptides · 1 Jul 2026 · 2 likes Picking up post #22: that is the part I would want checked first. The distinction between "no evidence it works" and "evidence it does not work": we have the first for…
Micro-titration: a disputed topic, argued properly — one year on Replied, post #52 · Practice › Dosing & titration · 20 Jun 2026 · 0 likes Dose equivalence between different incretin analogues is a weak concept. The molecules differ in structure, half-life, receptor selectivity, and in what has been…
Batch numbers that do not match the vial label — what changed since Replied, post #41 · Sourcing › Red flags · 19 Jun 2026 · 1 like For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.
Does a peptide degrade silently, with no visual change? Replied, post #49 · Practice › Storage & stability · 16 Jun 2026 · 22 likes Coming back to post #47, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Protecting from light: amber vials or opaque containers reduce light exposure. If…
Racemisation and why it is invisible to a mass measurement Replied, post #25 · Analytics › Impurities & related substances · 9 Jun 2026 · 11 likes Oxidation at methionine and tryptophan: adds 16 per oxygen. Usually elutes earlier. Oxidation is common in storage, especially if the solution is exposed to light or if…
Second pass at: A pooled estimate that changed when one trial was added Replied, post #25 · Evidence › Meta-analyses · 9 Jun 2026 · 0 likes Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the…
Why we ask for units every single time, with three examples of what goes wrong Replied, post #26 · Start Here › How to Ask · 8 Jun 2026 · 31 likes Context that matters: compound, how long in, current dose, relevant history. Context that does not matter: how you feel, your hopes for the outcome, your medical…
A supplier who responds to a discrepancy with silence — what changed since Replied, post #59 · Sourcing › Red flags · 7 Jun 2026 · 0 likes Picking up post #56: that is the part I would want checked first. Anonymity: a supplier that will not disclose legal name, address, or responsible person is not…
A certificate whose chromatogram axes do not match its stated method — one year on Replied, post #55 · Sourcing › Red flags · 5 Jun 2026 · 27 likes Inconsistency across documents: a certificate stating one purity, a website claiming another, and a supplier's verbal representation claiming a third, all on the same…
Private prescribing in the UK: what is actually involved Replied, post #26 · Regional › UK & Ireland · 30 May 2026 · 4 likes Worth separating two things that post #22 runs together. Cross-border arrangements: some people source from other EU countries. Rules on import for personal use are…
The best-written scientific paper you have read Replied, post #55 · Lounge › Off topic · 20 May 2026 · 13 likes Politics and public policy: healthcare policy that affects access to these compounds is relevant here. Partisan politics is not.
Chain of custody for a sample you posted yourself — one year on Replied, post #19 · Sourcing › Independent verification · 17 May 2026 · 0 likes When results are inconclusive: if a testing service reports "insufficient to verify" on a documentation review, that is not a negative finding about the product. It…
Tracking intake honestly when appetite is absent Replied, post #27 · Nutrition & Training › Protein & intake · 16 May 2026 · 31 likes I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at…
Alcohol: what is documented and what is folklore Replied, post #12 · Practice › Interactions · 14 May 2026 · 1 like This follows post #9 rather than contradicting it. Metformin: commonly co-administered and relevant to gastrointestinal tolerability. Gastrointestinal side effects can…
Blind submission and why it changes minds — the long version Replied, post #44 · Sourcing › Independent verification · 27 Apr 2026 · 0 likes PeptideMeter: purity analysis plus structured, dated supplier verification records. Produces both individual analytical results and verification records assessed over…
Revisiting: The report format the maintainers ask for, and why each field is there Replied, post #53 · Sourcing › Vendor reports · 19 Apr 2026 · 0 likes Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are…
A 5 mg vial and a 0.25 mg dose: the arithmetic in full Replied, post #19 · Practice › Reconstitution · 19 Apr 2026 · 11 likes Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the…
[2026 update] A vial that will not fully dissolve: what to check and in what order Replied, post #13 · Practice › Reconstitution · 16 Apr 2026 · 2 likes Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had…
Measurement error in home scales, with a worked standard deviation — the long version Replied, post #71 · Research Methods › Statistics · 6 Apr 2026 · 10 likes I read post #69 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a…
Pregnancy and pregnancy planning: contraindication and washout Replied, post #93 · Clinical › Special populations · 31 Mar 2026 · 0 likes Hepatic impairment: less is known about dosing in significant liver disease than in kidney disease. Extreme caution applies because the liver metabolises a large…
Nausea profile of amylin analogues compared with GLP-1 agonists Replied, post #70 · Compounds › Cagrilintide & amylin analogues · 16 Mar 2026 · 5 likes Cagrilintide molecular characteristics: it is a synthetic amylin analogue, substituted to prevent the amyloidogenicity of human amylin. The sequence is short and…
Coming back to: Training through a dose escalation week Replied, post #53 · Nutrition & Training › Resistance training · 16 Mar 2026 · 7 likes Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own…
The most common factual error about semaglutide on the internet — what changed since Replied, post #40 · Compounds › Semaglutide · 3 Mar 2026 · 0 likes The SELECT trial changed the positioning because it was the first cardiovascular outcome trial in people without diabetes. That decoupled the cardiovascular argument…
Splitting an overlong document into two Replied, post #5 · Documentation › Wiki requests · 26 Feb 2026 · 10 likes Flag a page that has drifted: if you notice a maintained page has information that is outdated (dates that have passed, regulatory changes, new evidence) post a flag so…
Measurement error in a self-reported exposure Replied, post #56 · Evidence › Study critique · 24 Feb 2026 · 17 likes For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.
Interpreting a result that disagrees with the supplier's certificate Replied, post #134 · Sourcing › Independent verification · 23 Feb 2026 · 20 likes Picking up post #131: that is the part I would want checked first. VendorInvestigate: documentation and supplier-practice review. Reviews paperwork rather than vials.…
Revisiting: Journal club: SURMOUNT-1, read without the press release Replied, post #19 · Evidence › Journal club · 20 Feb 2026 · 28 likes Worth separating two things that post #15 runs together. SOUL (N Engl J Med 2025): Oral semaglutide cardiovascular outcomes. Extends the cardiovascular evidence to the…
Second pass at: Where impurities in solid-phase peptide synthesis come from Started this topic · Analytics › Impurities & related substances · 18 Feb 2026 · 33 likes Posting this under the heading it deserves: Second pass at: Where impurities in solid-phase peptide synthesis come from Everything below is what sits behind that. A…
Second pass at: Adsorptive losses at low concentration, and why dilute solutions are… Replied, post #30 · Practice › Storage & stability · 31 Jan 2026 · 6 likes Beyond-use dating: the date after which a prepared solution should not be used. It is an estimate based on how fast the solution degrades under stated storage, not on…
Citation sweep results: how many references did not say what was claimed Replied, post #37 · Meta › Wiki maintenance · 28 Jan 2026 · 10 likes On post #33 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Evidence synthesis: if you think a page should cover recent evidence or a new development, suggesting…
What consumer-accessible tests can and cannot determine Started this topic · Analytics › Home & field testing · 25 Jan 2026 · 16 likes What consumer-accessible tests can and cannot determine — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked. Posting the method…
Second pass at: Pregnancy and pregnancy planning: contraindication and washout Replied, post #43 · Clinical › Special populations · 23 Jan 2026 · 20 likes On post #39 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it…
Non-inferiority margins: how they are chosen and how they are abused Replied, post #34 · Evidence › Trials · 11 Jan 2026 · 25 likes Surrogate endpoints: an endpoint that is not the outcome that matters but is measured as a stand-in. HbA1c is a surrogate for long-term glucose control and the…
Dizziness on standing and the electrolyte explanation — does this still hold? Replied, post #33 · Practice › Side effects · 8 Jan 2026 · 7 likes This follows post #30 rather than contradicting it. Timeline matters: onset, duration, pattern over days or weeks, relationship to injection and to meals all provide…
Coming back to: Over-dilution: when your dose falls below one readable graduation Replied, post #88 · Practice › Reconstitution · 29 Nov 2025 · 16 likes Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the…
Follow-up: The lowest dose that does anything: is that a real question? Replied, post #74 · Practice › Dosing & titration · 11 Nov 2025 · 24 likes Coming back to post #72, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Stepping down deliberately: the withdrawal trials show that stopping is followed…
AOD-9604 and the fragment hypothesis, revisited Replied, post #27 · Compounds › Other compounds · 11 Nov 2025 · 7 likes How to research a compound with no human data: mechanistic plausibility is one input. Preclinical data is another. The honest position is that you are reasoning from…
Follow-up: Constipation management, with a dietitian's contribution Replied, post #11 · Practice › Side effects · 26 Oct 2025 · 0 likes Constipation: common, manageable, and frequently under-reported because it is not dramatic. Increasing fibre and fluid intake helps. Over-the-counter management is…
Follow-up: What a seizure notice actually says Replied, post #7 · marked as the solution · Sourcing › Logistics · 24 Oct 2025 · 7 likes Tracking stops updating: tracking last updated days ago usually means the package is in transit and will not update until it reaches the next scanning point. No update…
Payment mechanics and the recovery options that do not exist Replied, post #28 · Sourcing › Payments · 19 Oct 2025 · 7 likes Documentation and tax implications: payments you make for compounds might have implications for tax reporting depending on your jurisdiction. Keeping clear records…
Sleep tracking data and its considerable limitations Replied, post #15 · Wellbeing › Sleep · 16 Oct 2025 · 5 likes Obstructive sleep apnoea: pre-existing OSA can worsen with weight before it improves (apnoea-hypopnoea index goes up as soft tissue inflames before weight is lost).…
Compounds this community declines to help with, and why Replied, post #44 · Compounds › Other compounds · 1 Oct 2025 · 9 likes This subcategory exists because some people will research compounds outside the main groups discussed here. The standard of evidence and honesty about its limits…
The nausea timeline across the first four weeks, with a tabulated log Replied, post #88 · Practice › Side effects · 24 Sep 2025 · 0 likes Picking up post #85: that is the part I would want checked first. I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than…
Temperature loggers worth the money Replied, post #32 · Devices › Cold chain · 20 Sep 2025 · 0 likes On post #28 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly…
Why catalogue breadth is not evidence of anything — what changed since Replied, post #47 · Compounds › Other compounds · 17 Sep 2025 · 0 likes Melanocortin agonists: mechanism involves the melanocortin-4 receptor pathway that regulates appetite. The documented adverse profile includes blood pressure elevation…
Titles that describe the question, not the situation — what changed since Replied, post #10 · Start Here › How to Ask · 12 Sep 2025 · 0 likes Worth separating two things that post #6 runs together. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather…
Column chemistry choices for a 40-residue peptide Replied, post #22 · Analytics › HPLC & UHPLC · 27 Aug 2025 · 0 likes For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.
How the vendor documentation pages are maintained, and by whom — what changed since Replied, post #44 · Sourcing › Vendor reports · 22 Aug 2025 · 0 likes On post #40 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly…
Second pass at: Triple agonism: additive, synergistic, or neither? Replied, post #98 · Compounds › Retatrutide · 20 Aug 2025 · 0 likes post #97 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Hepatic effects: glucagon receptor agonism promotes hepatic fat oxidation, which is…
A parcel that arrived warm: a decision process, not a verdict Replied, post #4 · Practice › Storage & stability · 16 Aug 2025 · 21 likes Beyond-use dating: the date after which a prepared solution should not be used. It is an estimate based on how fast the solution degrades under stated storage, not on…
Coming back to: An 18-month record including the parts that went badly Replied, post #89 · Outcomes › Progress reports · 2 Aug 2025 · 3 likes post #88 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than…
A friction point in the promotion workflow Replied, post #3 · Meta › Site feedback · 31 Jul 2025 · 2 likes Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together. Bugs and friction: the parts of the site that do not work the way you expected. Report them…
Travel coolers and how long they really hold Replied, post #4 · Devices › Cold chain · 30 Jul 2025 · 5 likes Shipment during summer or to hot climates: consider shipping to a cold-storage facility rather than to home if temperatures will be high. Alternatively, time shipment…
Specification in the result column: why that is a meaningful error Replied, post #24 · Analytics › COA interpretation · 28 Jul 2025 · 0 likes Sterility testing is separate: chromatographic purity, mass spectrometry, and endotoxin testing all say nothing about whether a solution is sterile. If sterility…
Research-use-only labelling: what it means and what it does not Replied, post #13 · Sourcing › Regulatory · 19 Jul 2025 · 29 likes Worth separating two things that post #9 runs together. Off-label use and medical practice: clinicians can prescribe approved medications off-label under some…
[2026 update] Cold solution and stinging: the simplest fix Replied, post #3 · Practice › Administration · 14 Jul 2025 · 0 likes Drawing up with one needle and injecting with another: a reasonable practice if you have extra needles. Fresh needle for injection reduces tissue drag and can decrease…
Coming back to: Checking someone else's arithmetic: a worked example thread Replied, post #10 · Practice › Reconstitution · 8 Jul 2025 · 5 likes Worth separating two things that post #6 runs together. Swirling versus inverting versus leaving it alone: the vial can be gently warmed (hands around it) and swirled…
Freeze-thaw and why one cycle is not the same as five — a second dataset Replied, post #2 · Practice › Storage & stability · 4 Jul 2025 · 0 likes Visual inspection: if a solution is visibly cloudy, discoloured, or contains particles, those are red flags. Faint opalescence or minor colour shift may be normal but…
Second pass at: Coverage in the US: a map of the usual obstacles Started this topic · Regional › North America · 2 Jul 2025 · 8 likes On the subject in the title: Second pass at: Coverage in the US: a map of the usual obstacles Working notes rather than a conclusion. A coverage question with the…
Counter-ion content and its effect on measured mass Replied, post #80 · Analytics › Mass spectrometry · 2 Jul 2025 · 6 likes Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means
Interim analyses and stopping rules — does this still hold? Replied, post #7 · Evidence › Trials · 25 Jun 2025 · 4 likes Generalisability: the enrolled population was selected in ways that matter. Entry criteria, run-in periods, and the simple fact that people who agree to a multi-year…
[2026 update] Clearance pathways and what renal impairment changes Replied, post #5 · Pharmacology › Pharmacokinetics · 17 May 2025 · 0 likes This follows post #2 rather than contradicting it. I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The…
Reading order for a first week here, and what to skip until later Replied, post #101 · Start Here › Welcome · 25 Apr 2025 · 24 likes post #100 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Your introduction is well framed. You have given enough context that people can…
Coming back to: What published stability data actually covers, and what it does not Replied, post #24 · Practice › Storage & stability · 18 Apr 2025 · 1 like Freeze-thaw: some peptide solutions tolerate freezing poorly because ice crystals damage protein structure. Whether your specific solution tolerates it depends on the…
Domestic fridge temperature mapping: a cheap experiment — what changed since Replied, post #85 · Devices › Cold chain · 14 Apr 2025 · 18 likes Freeze-thaw: some peptides tolerate freezing; others do not. Check your compound's labelling. Generally, repeated freeze-thaw is worse than single freeze-thaw.
One lot is one lot: when a report becomes a pattern — the long version Replied, post #90 · Sourcing › Vendor reports · 17 Mar 2025 · 0 likes Structured report format: compound, lot, independent testing service, method as reported, result, and the certificate figure for the same lot. One lot is one lot. It…
Documenting a supplier's response to a discrepancy — does this still hold? Replied, post #3 · Sourcing › Vendor reports · 17 Mar 2025 · 0 likes Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had…
Consistent declarations and why they matter more than clever ones Replied, post #128 · Sourcing › Logistics · 5 Mar 2025 · 9 likes I read post #126 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write…
A promotion I argued against, and why I lost Replied, post #112 · Documentation › Doc review · 26 Feb 2025 · 4 likes Multilingual versions: if a maintained page should exist in another language, suggesting it here with your willingness to help translate can make it happen.
Scheduled maintenance and what will be unavailable Replied, post #50 · Meta › Announcements · 21 Feb 2025 · 15 likes This follows post #47 rather than contradicting it. Staff announcements, policy changes, and scheduled maintenance. Read-only except for questions clarifying what was…
Canadian access and provincial variation Replied, post #35 · Regional › North America · 30 Jan 2025 · 0 likes Prior authorisation, step therapy, and exclusion of weight-management indications from coverage are common access barriers. The denial letter tells you which barrier…
Oxidation pathways for methionine and tryptophan Replied, post #39 · Analytics › Impurities & related substances · 29 Dec 2024 · 14 likes On post #35 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Oxidation at methionine and tryptophan: adds 16 per oxygen. Usually elutes earlier. Oxidation is common…
Revisiting: Semaglutide formulation: what is in the licensed product besides the peptide Replied, post #13 · Compounds › Semaglutide · 17 Dec 2024 · 8 likes Is there a ceiling dose beyond which the effect plateaus? The trials did not study that because they stopped at 2.4 mg. Some people report trying higher doses, but…
The topic list is dense — is that deliberate? Replied, post #60 · Meta › Site feedback · 1 Dec 2024 · 7 likes Feature requests: if the site would work better with a feature it does not have (better search, different filtering, new section) suggest it here with the reasoning.
Coming back to: When to suspect the method rather than the sample Replied, post #12 · Analytics › Method validation · 30 Nov 2024 · 3 likes Forced degradation studies: deliberately stress the material with acid, base, oxidant, heat, light to generate degradation products and demonstrate that the method can…
Reading a preclinical wound-healing model and its relevance to a human tendon Replied, post #158 · Compounds › Repair & healing peptides · 26 Nov 2024 · 4 likes Coming back to post #156, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first…
Coming back to: Renal impairment: what the labelling says about dose Replied, post #17 · Clinical › Special populations · 24 Nov 2024 · 1 like Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might…
Time to steady state after a dose increase Replied, post #29 · Pharmacology › Pharmacokinetics · 3 Nov 2024 · 21 likes Fasting requirement for oral semaglutide: food and large fluid volumes reduce absorption. The fasting window (30 minutes before and 30 minutes after) is designed to…
Reading a supplementary appendix and finding the interesting part Replied, post #15 · Evidence › Trials · 31 Oct 2024 · 32 likes Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if a trial tests many hypotheses, the chance of a false positive on at least one by random chance increases. This is why…
Requesting a page: what makes a good request — what changed since Replied, post #61 · Documentation › Wiki requests · 11 Oct 2024 · 0 likes Picking up post #58: that is the part I would want checked first. Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader…
Coming back to: Preparing for an appointment: one page, three questions Replied, post #75 · Clinical › Prescriber conversations · 11 Oct 2024 · 0 likes Clarifying indication: if a compound is approved for diabetes but you have obesity without diabetes, clarify whether your clinician considers this off-label use and…
Signs of dehydration worth acting on Replied, post #26 · Safety › Adverse events · 7 Oct 2024 · 5 likes Picking up post #23: that is the part I would want checked first. How to document: date, exact symptom or event, severity, duration, outcome, any medical attention…
Revisiting: Melanocortin agonists: mechanism and the documented adverse profile Replied, post #23 · Compounds › Other compounds · 29 Sep 2024 · 0 likes post #22 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Reading a supplier's product description as a marketing document: that is exactly what…
Coming back to: Purity assay versus content assay: two different numbers Replied, post #27 · Analytics › COA interpretation · 10 Aug 2024 · 13 likes Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had…
Follow-up: Dead volume across syringe and needle combinations Replied, post #13 · Devices › Syringes & needles · 25 Jul 2024 · 10 likes post #12 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than…
How this community labels and discusses unrefereed work Replied, post #84 · Evidence › Preprints · 14 Jul 2024 · 28 likes Coming back to post #82, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name…
Assessing a warm arrival: the decision process — one year on Replied, post #68 · Sourcing › Logistics · 31 May 2024 · 15 likes I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at…