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A structured critique template this community uses — a second dataset

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What I would want before treating structured critique template as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing.

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policy_readerTL2Regular30 May 2026#1

On the subject in the title: A structured critique template this community uses — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Posting a small dataset on structured critique template. It is mine, it is uncontrolled, and the method is stated so it can be discounted appropriately.

What I would like is not agreement but a second dataset collected by someone with no stake in mine. If one exists I would rather read it than argue for this one.

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f.laurentTL2 Solution2 Jun 2026#2

What I would want before treating structured critique template as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member4 Jun 2026#3

Reading back through the structured critique template threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.

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a.coelhoTL25 Jun 2026#4
f.laurent, post #2: What I would want before treating structured critique template as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing. Go to post

Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular7 Jun 2026#5

Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first.

Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

The reasoning is more useful than the number, which is why I have shown it.

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d.yilmazTL28 Jun 2026#6

Coming back to post #5, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

On structured critique template: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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septum_entryTL2Member10 Jun 2026 · edited#7
policy_reader, post #1: On the subject in the title: A structured critique template this community uses — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion. Posting a small dataset on structured critique template. It is mine, it is uncontrolled, and the method is stated so it can be discounted appropriately. What I would like is not agreement but a… Go to post

Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is.

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c.falkTL211 Jun 2026#8
k.bettencourt, post #3: Reading back through the structured critique template threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap. Go to post

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of structured critique template yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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c.lundgrenTL213 Jun 2026#9
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n.nybergTL214 Jun 2026#10

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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diluent_watchTL2Member15 Jun 2026#11

Structured critique template is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.

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d.ndiayeTL217 Jun 2026 · edited#12

The reason structured critique template keeps being re-asked is that the answer is conditional and people quote it without the condition. It is not that the answer is unknown.

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ZieglerTL3Regular18 Jun 2026#13
d.yilmaz, post #6: Coming back to post #5, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. On structured critique template: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one. Go to post

I read post #11 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Where a critique changes your position, saying so in the thread is worth more than being right, and it is the thing this subcategory does better than most places.

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m.dumitruTL219 Jun 2026#14
a.coelho, post #4: Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it. Go to post

This follows post #11 rather than contradicting it.

My experience of structured critique template contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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r.scholtenTL2Member20 Jun 2026#15

Nothing to add, except that this is the answer I would give if asked.

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g.verhoevenTL221 Jun 2026#16

Post #14 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Answering the structured critique template question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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m.stephanopoulosTL3Regular23 Jun 2026#17

Coming back to post #16, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Criticism is more useful when it is narrower. "The trial answers a different question from the one being asked" is actionable; "the trial is flawed" is not.

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b.nwosuTL224 Jun 2026#18
septum_entry, post #7: Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is. Go to post

Hold a trial to the standard something could actually have met. A criticism that no achievable design could have answered is a criticism of the field rather than of the paper.

If this contradicts something upthread, the upthread version may well be the better one.

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RidgewayTL3Regular25 Jun 2026 · edited#19

Worth separating two things that post #16 runs together.

The question underneath structured critique template is usually "how would I tell?" rather than "what is true?", and that one has a method attached to it.

Write down what you would expect to see under each hypothesis before you collect anything. If they predict the same observation, collecting it will not help.

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i.grimaldiTL226 Jun 2026#20

Post #19 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The strongest critiques cite the section they rely on. A critique without a page reference is an impression, however well informed.

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h.ramosTL227 Jun 2026#21

That is a fair summary of where the discussion has got to.

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CSagredoTL3Regular28 Jun 2026#22

Blinding, duration and comparator choice trade against each other. Improving one usually costs another, and a critique that ignores the trade is incomplete.

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c.inglethorpeTL3Regular30 Jun 2026#24
n.nyberg, post #10: That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth. Go to post

The pre-specified endpoint being a weaker proxy than you would like is a real criticism. It is a smaller one than saying the result was chosen after the fact.

Two sources, same conclusion, and I could not rule out that one copied the other.

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f.chowdhuryTL21 Jul 2026#25

A critique should end with what would change your mind. Without that it is a position rather than an argument.

For what it is worth, the same held on the two occasions I checked.

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ThibodeauTL3Regular2 Jul 2026#26

Posting my structured critique template numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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h.amankwahTL23 Jul 2026#27

This follows post #24 rather than contradicting it.

Adding a small correction to the structured critique template summary above rather than a disagreement with it. The substance holds; one of the figures is out by a factor that matters.

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m.eriksenTL24 Jul 2026#28
c.lundgren, post #9: Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence. Go to post

I read post #26 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Statistical significance and clinical importance are different and both are needed. A significant difference below the minimal important difference is a real finding of no practical consequence.

A guess, clearly labelled as one.

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m.ekstromTL25 Jul 2026#29
r.scholten, post #15: Nothing to add, except that this is the answer I would give if asked. Go to post

Post #28 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Two questions I would want answered before drawing anything from the structured critique template data above: how were the cases selected, and what happened to the ones that dropped out.

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l.piresTL26 Jul 2026#30

On post #26 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

On structured critique template the community has more anecdote than the confidence in this thread implies, and I include my own contribution in that.

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