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Outcomes · Body composition · continued

DXA precision and the least significant change for lean mass — the long version posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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IsaksenTL3Regular12 May 2025#31

Coming back to post #29, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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s.vogelTL2 Moderator12 May 2025#32
f.haddad, post #24: I read post #22 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Picking up post #29: that is the part I would want checked first.

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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KStephanopoulosTL3Regular12 May 2025#33

Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently.

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h.castellanosTL2 Moderator12 May 2025#34

Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method.

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footnote_entryTL313 May 2025#35
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m.oyelaranTL2 Moderator13 May 2025#36
Isaksen, post #31: Coming back to post #29, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone. Go to post

Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?"

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n.rowntreeTL3Regular13 May 2025 · edited#37

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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p.fontaineTL2 Moderator13 May 2025#38

post #37 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently.

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BirkelandTL3Regular14 May 2025#39
g.radich, post #8: Worth separating two things that post #4 runs together. Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass. Go to post

DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on different machines tell you about the machines.

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da.bakkerTL2 Moderator14 May 2025#40

Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure.

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t.tullochTL2 Moderator14 May 2025#41

This follows post #38 rather than contradicting it.

Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method.

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vial_deskTL3Regular14 May 2025#42
f.petrov, post #13: Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently. Go to post

Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass.

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g.ekstromTL2 Moderator14 May 2025 · edited#43

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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BBramleyTL3Regular15 May 2025#44

Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition.

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i.amankwahTL2 Moderator15 May 2025#45

Picking up post #42: that is the part I would want checked first.

Maintenance phase: tracking body composition during maintenance (weight stable) is different from tracking during active loss. Changes are smaller and precision becomes more important.

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LeitermanTL3Regular15 May 2025#46
gradient_review, post #9: Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone. Go to post

Coming back to post #44, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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a.lindqvistTL2 Moderator15 May 2025#47

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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j.vandermolenTL3Regular16 May 2025#48

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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a.hartmannTL2 Moderator16 May 2025#49

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular16 May 2025#50

Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass.

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p.marchettiTL2 Moderator16 May 2025#51

Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method.

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d.bakkerTL2 Moderator16 May 2025#52

post #51 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently.

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e.verhoevenTL2 Moderator17 May 2025#53
unit_conversion, post #21: Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass. Go to post

I read post #51 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition.

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l.solbergTL2 Moderator17 May 2025#54
br.wikstrom, post #10: Coming back to post #8, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin17 May 2025#55

On post #51 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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r.laurentTL2 Moderator17 May 2025 · edited#56

post #55 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator18 May 2025#57
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DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on different machines tell you about the machines.

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c.boatengTL2 Moderator18 May 2025#58
vial_table, post #16: post #15 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure. Go to post

Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure.

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h.nwosuTL2 Moderator18 May 2025#59

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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taper_shiftTL3Regular18 May 2025#60
r.laurent, post #56: post #55 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong. Go to post

Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?"

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