Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.
Follow-up: Tracking intake honestly when appetite is absent posts 91–107
This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.
Collapsed as off-topic by two members at trust level 3 or above
This follows post #90 rather than contradicting it.
Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.
I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.
The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.
Picking up post #94: that is the part I would want checked first.
Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.
Coming back to post #96, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.
Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.
post #98 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.
Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.
Collapsed as off-topic by two members at trust level 3 or above
Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.
post #100 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.
Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.
Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.
Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.
post #104 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.
Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.
Worth separating two things that post #102 runs together.
Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.
Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.
This topic was referenced in
- Shakes versus food: a pragmatic assessmentNutrition & Training › Protein & intake · 26 replies
Suggested topics
| Topic | Participants | Replies | Views | Activity |
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Protein density versus volume when you cannot eat much
On the subject in the title: Protein density versus volume when you cannot eat much Working notes rather than a conclusion. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not…
|
+89 | 105 | 20k | 18mo |
|
Tracking intake honestly when appetite is absent
On the subject in the title: Tracking intake honestly when appetite is absent Working notes rather than a conclusion. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a…
|
+109 | 115 | 4.8k | 20h |
|
[2026 update] Whether protein timing matters at a large deficit
Whether protein timing matters at a large deficit — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a…
|
+4 | 8 | 46k | 7mo |
|
Shakes versus food: a pragmatic assessment
Shakes versus food: a pragmatic assessment Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Maintenance rather than loss, which is the part of this that almost nobody writes…
|
+22 | 26 | 53k | 20h |
|
Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — one year on
Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — one year on — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a…
|
+15 | 19 | 19k | 22mo |
Related topics — sharing the tags constipation, micronutrients, lean mass loss
| Topic | Participants | Replies | Views | Activity |
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Taste changes and food aversion, reported and discussed
Posting this under the heading it deserves: Taste changes and food aversion, reported and discussed Everything below is what sits behind that. I have read the maintained page on this and I still have a gap,…
|
+40 | 47 | 28k | 20mo |
|
Electrolyte supplements: which ones do anything — a second dataset
Electrolyte supplements: which ones do anything — a second dataset Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Maintenance rather than loss, which is the part of this…
|
2 | 59k | 15mo | |
|
Interpreting a composition change that is within the error bars
On the subject in the title: Interpreting a composition change that is within the error bars Working notes rather than a conclusion. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a…
|
+18 | 22 | 5.8k | 12mo |
|
Ultrasound and skinfolds: operator dependence in practice
Ultrasound and skinfolds: operator dependence in practice — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Maintenance rather than loss, which is the part of this that almost nobody…
|
+72 | 76 | 2.7k | 2d |
|
Second pass at: Programming during a large energy deficit
Posting this under the heading it deserves: Second pass at: Programming during a large energy deficit Everything below is what sits behind that. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number…
|
+44 | 48 | 632 | 30d |