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Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — one year on

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Solved by i.dumitru in post #8
Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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a.kwiatkowskiTL2Member30 Aug 2024#1

Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — one year on — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 44 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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i.grimaldiTL2 Moderator1 Sep 2024 · edited#2

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular3 Sep 2024#3

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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a.cabreraTL2 Moderator4 Sep 2024#4

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular6 Sep 2024#5

I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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in.guerreroTL2 Moderator7 Sep 2024#6
i.grimaldi, post #2: Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help. Go to post

This follows post #3 rather than contradicting it.

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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endpoint_lineTL3Regular8 Sep 2024#7

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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i.dumitruTL2 Moderator Solution9 Sep 2024#8

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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diluent_watchTL2Member10 Sep 2024#9

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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d.ndiayeTL2 Moderator12 Sep 2024#10
a.cabrera, post #4: For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Picking up post #7: that is the part I would want checked first.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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CSagredoTL3Regular13 Sep 2024#11

Picking up post #8: that is the part I would want checked first.

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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h.bhattacharyaTL2 Moderator14 Sep 2024#12

Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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o.abrahamsenTL3Regular15 Sep 2024#13
CSagredo, post #11: Picking up post #8: that is the part I would want checked first. Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point. Go to post

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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h.ramosTL2 Moderator16 Sep 2024#14

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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e.kjeldsenTL2Member17 Sep 2024 · edited#15
endpoint_line, post #7: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

This follows post #12 rather than contradicting it.

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular18 Sep 2024#17
a.kwiatkowski, post #1: Meeting a protein target on a suppressed appetite — one year on — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 44 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and… Go to post

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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p.lindqvistTL2 Moderator19 Sep 2024#18

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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c.delgadoTL2 Moderator20 Sep 2024#19

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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a.lindholmTL2 Moderator21 Sep 2024#20
endpoint_line, post #7: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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