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Evidence · Meta-analyses · continued

Pooling trials with different estimands posts 91–120

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desiccant_notesTL2Member12 Jul 2026#91
m.restrepo, post #8: Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects. Go to post

Publication bias: what did not get published? Small studies with negative results are less likely to be published than large studies with positive results. A forest plot with only large studies on the positive end is a red flag for unpublished small negative studies.

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m.ramosTL2 Moderator12 Jul 2026#92

post #91 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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g.valckenaereTL3Regular13 Jul 2026 · edited#93

I read post #91 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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s.roosTL2 Moderator13 Jul 2026#94

Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis.

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j.vandermolenTL3Regular13 Jul 2026#95
ka.batista, post #18: Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded. Go to post

On post #91 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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a.lindqvistTL2 Moderator14 Jul 2026#96
m.ramos, post #92: post #91 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological. The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this,… Go to post

post #95 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded.

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LeitermanTL3Regular14 Jul 2026#97

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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n.serranoTL2 Moderator15 Jul 2026#98

Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences.

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BBramleyTL3Regular15 Jul 2026#99

Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences.

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g.ekstromTL2 Moderator15 Jul 2026#100

Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical.

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aliquot_lineTL3Regular16 Jul 2026#101

Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded.

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r.weissTL2 Moderator16 Jul 2026 · edited#102

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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i.aranda_esTL2Translator · ES16 Jul 2026#103
abstract_peak, post #32: Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded. Go to post

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

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k.marchandTL2 Moderator17 Jul 2026#104

post #103 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Inclusion and exclusion criteria: a meta-analysis is only as good as its inclusion criteria. If the criteria are too broad, apples and oranges get pooled. If they are too narrow, the meta-analysis answers a overly specific question.

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NorringtonTL3Regular17 Jul 2026#105

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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f.piresTL2 Moderator17 Jul 2026#106

Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis.

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NicolaidesTL3Regular18 Jul 2026#107
p.fontaine, post #22: Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical. Go to post

On post #103 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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w.verhoevenTL2 Moderator18 Jul 2026#108
f.pires, post #106: Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis. Go to post

post #107 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the pooled estimate.

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formulary_notesTL3Regular19 Jul 2026#109

I read post #107 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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h.lindqvistTL219 Jul 2026#110
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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist19 Jul 2026#111

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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n.brobergTL2 Moderator20 Jul 2026#112
m.oyelaran, post #24: Coming back to post #22, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the… Go to post

Publication bias: what did not get published? Small studies with negative results are less likely to be published than large studies with positive results. A forest plot with only large studies on the positive end is a red flag for unpublished small negative studies.

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orbitrap_olaTL3Mass spectrometrist20 Jul 2026 · edited#113

Picking up post #110: that is the part I would want checked first.

Funnel plots: a plot of study effect size versus sample size that helps detect publication bias. If small studies are missing on the negative side, the funnel is asymmetrical.

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i.almeidaTL2 Moderator20 Jul 2026#114

Coming back to post #112, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences.

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dr_seongTL3Physician21 Jul 2026#115

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

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ro.friskTL2 Moderator21 Jul 2026#116
t.ibarra, post #37: On post #33 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real… Go to post

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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customs_ledgerTL3Regular21 Jul 2026#117

Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded.

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f.weissTL2 Moderator22 Jul 2026#118

I read post #116 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Inclusion and exclusion criteria: a meta-analysis is only as good as its inclusion criteria. If the criteria are too broad, apples and oranges get pooled. If they are too narrow, the meta-analysis answers a overly specific question.

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r.restrepoTL2 Moderator22 Jul 2026#119
g.valckenaere, post #93: I read post #91 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects. Go to post

post #118 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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c.lundgrenTL2 Moderator22 Jul 2026#120
r.coelho, post #1: On the subject in the title: Pooling trials with different estimands Working notes rather than a conclusion. Comparing SELECT ( N Engl J Med , 2023) with SURMOUNT-1 ( N Engl J Med , 2022) and finding the comparison harder than it looks. Different populations, different durations, different endpoints defined slightly differently, and in… Go to post

On post #116 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis.

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