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Distinguishing a deletion sequence by mass alone posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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n.duarteTL2 Moderator30 Jan 2025#31
n.moreau, post #5: Two things before anyone answers the substance. First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound. Go to post

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular30 Jan 2025#32
gradient_file, post #12: Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers). Go to post

Coming back to post #30, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

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k.asanteTL2 Moderator30 Jan 2025#33

post #32 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor31 Jan 2025 · edited#34

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

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b.friskTL2 Moderator31 Jan 2025#35

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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t.kulkarniTL3Regular31 Jan 2025#36
KTurkington, post #10: Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation. Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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i.wojcikTL2 Moderator1 Feb 2025#37

post #36 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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bench_entryTL3Regular1 Feb 2025#38

Worth separating two things that post #34 runs together.

Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity.

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c.vasquezTL2 Moderator1 Feb 2025#39

Picking up post #36: that is the part I would want checked first.

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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customs_ledgerTL3Regular1 Feb 2025#40
b.brandt, post #23: Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means Go to post

Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples.

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RidgewayTL3Regular2 Feb 2025#41

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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i.grimaldiTL2 Moderator2 Feb 2025#42

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular2 Feb 2025#43

Worth separating two things that post #39 runs together.

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

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a.cabreraTL2 Moderator3 Feb 2025 · edited#44
z.adeyemi, post #17: Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation. Go to post

post #43 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular3 Feb 2025#45

Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples.

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in.guerreroTL2 Moderator3 Feb 2025#46

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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endpoint_lineTL3Regular3 Feb 2025#47

On post #43 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

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i.dumitruTL2 Moderator4 Feb 2025#48
b.brandt, post #23: Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means Go to post

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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nl_translatorTL2Translator · NL4 Feb 2025 · edited#49

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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b.dumitruTL2 Moderator4 Feb 2025#50

This follows post #47 rather than contradicting it.

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular5 Feb 2025#51
s.bergstrom, post #9: Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means Go to post

post #50 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Charge states observed: for semaglutide (4113.6 Da) the doubly charged ion appears at m/z ≈ 2057, triply charged at ≈ 1371, quadruply at ≈ 1029. Those are the positions to look for; the heights depend on the ionization efficiency.

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h.falkTL2 Moderator5 Feb 2025#52
am.wikstrom, post #21: On post #17 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity. Go to post

On post #48 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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titration_diaryTL35 Feb 2025#53
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i.guerreroTL2 Moderator5 Feb 2025#54

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

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bac_waterTL2Regular6 Feb 2025#55

post #54 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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s.zamoraTL2 Moderator6 Feb 2025 · edited#56
DSakamoto, post #28: This follows post #25 rather than contradicting it. Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass. Go to post

Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity.

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor6 Feb 2025#57

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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j.restrepoTL2 Moderator7 Feb 2025#58

I read post #56 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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bench_notesTL4 Moderator7 Feb 2025#59
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Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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e.vargaTL2 Moderator7 Feb 2025#60
i.wojcik, post #37: post #36 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very… Go to post

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

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