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Levothyroxine timing: a real interaction with a simple fix

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a.batistaTL229 Sep 2024#1

Levothyroxine timing: a real interaction with a simple fix Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

A narrow question about levothyroxine timing, deliberately narrow, because the broad version has been asked here four times and produced four long threads and no answer.

One question, stated units, stated method, and what I have already ruled out.

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impurity_tableTL3Analytical chemist9 Oct 2024#2

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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m.steinerTL216 Oct 2024#3

Speaking only to levothyroxine timing as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect.

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician22 Oct 2024#4

Picking up the opening post: that is the part I would want checked first.

Anything that also slows gut motility compounds the same mechanism. That is a plausibility argument rather than a documented interaction, and it should be labelled as one.

It is the sort of thing that seems obvious in retrospect and was not at the time.

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n.laurentTL228 Oct 2024#5

Oral medications with a narrow therapeutic index are the ones where that matters most. The interaction is about rate and timing rather than about the total absorbed, in most published cases.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator3 Nov 2024#6
m.steiner, post #3: Speaking only to levothyroxine timing as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect. Go to post

Worth stating the null on levothyroxine timing before we explain it: the observation may be nothing. That possibility deserves a sentence and usually does not get one.

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i.norgaardTL29 Nov 2024 · edited#7

I read post #5 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Separation timing versus clinically important interaction: a separation timing inconvenience (taking one medication 2 hours before or after another) is not the same as a clinically important interaction. Both can reduce absorption of one or the other, but only true interactions require active management.

That is what I would do. It may not be what is correct.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist14 Nov 2024#8

This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it.

Renal or hepatic impairment changes the calculus for a lot of combinations and is the context most often missing from an interaction question here.

I looked this up rather than remembered it, which is the right order.

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h.friskTL219 Nov 2024 · edited#9

Supplements and herbs: many have no established interaction. Some do. If you are taking something unusual, checking a reference (like a pharmacist) is more useful than guessing from forum discussion.

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j.rasmussenTL2Regular24 Nov 2024#10
n.laurent, post #5: Oral medications with a narrow therapeutic index are the ones where that matters most. The interaction is about rate and timing rather than about the total absorbed, in most published cases. Go to post

Post #9 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Gastrointestinal symptoms from one compound can mask or mimic an interaction with another. Introducing two changes at once makes attribution impossible, which is an argument for spacing them.

Same conclusion as the reply above, reached differently, which is mildly reassuring.

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t.kulkarniTL3Regular29 Nov 2024#11

Post #10 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Timing separation is the standard mitigation where absorption rate is the concern, and the interval that matters depends on the other drug rather than on this one.

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p.novakTL23 Dec 2024#12
n.laurent, post #5: Oral medications with a narrow therapeutic index are the ones where that matters most. The interaction is about rate and timing rather than about the total absorbed, in most published cases. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #8 runs together.

Research-use-only compounds have no interaction data of any kind, because interaction studies are done on medicines being developed for use in people.

Reading it again, the caveat matters more than the finding.

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h.almeidaTL2Member8 Dec 2024#13
compounding_ruth, post #8: This follows post #5 rather than contradicting it. Renal or hepatic impairment changes the calculus for a lot of combinations and is the context most often missing from an interaction question here. I looked this up rather than remembered it, which is the right order. Go to post

Checked the levothyroxine timing claim against the primary source this morning. It survives, with a narrower scope than the version quoted here. Posting the narrower scope.

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t.marchettiTL213 Dec 2024#14

Useful. I have added it to my own notes with the date on it.

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular17 Dec 2024#15

A pharmacist can answer most questions in this subcategory in a few minutes with access to a proper interaction database, and that access is the thing a forum does not have.

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ni.kravchenkoTL221 Dec 2024#16
n.laurent, post #5: Oral medications with a narrow therapeutic index are the ones where that matters most. The interaction is about rate and timing rather than about the total absorbed, in most published cases. Go to post

On post #12 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Insulin interaction: semaglutide and tirzepatide are not contraindicated with insulin but the combination carries hypoglycemia risk if insulin doses are not adjusted. That is a reason for close monitoring, not for avoiding the combination.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular26 Dec 2024 · edited#17

Vitamins: most vitamins have no significant interaction. Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) might be affected by the slowing of fat absorption during weight loss, but that is a nutritional consequence rather than an interaction.

It is worth checking rather than assuming, which costs nothing.

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a.vermeulenTL230 Dec 2024#18

Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them.

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maintenance_modeTL3Regular3 Jan 2025#19

Anyone asking an interaction question should list everything, including the things they consider irrelevant. The irrelevant one is the answer more often than chance would suggest.

The disagreement above is smaller than it looks once the terms are fixed.

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f.danquahTL27 Jan 2025#20

No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored.

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m.marchettiTL211 Jan 2025#21

Alcohol is not contraindicated in the labelling and it does irritate a stomach that is already emptying slowly. There is no published interaction study, and the conservative reading is the obvious one.

If the premise is wrong, everything after it is decoration.

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IHollingworthTL2Member16 Jan 2025#22

Insulin and sulfonylureas are the interaction that the labelling in this class flags most explicitly, because the risk is additive glucose lowering. That is a prescribing question and not a forum question.

Correct me on the arithmetic if it is wrong; I would rather know.

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c.nybergTL220 Jan 2025#23
m.steiner, post #3: Speaking only to levothyroxine timing as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect. Go to post

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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l.sarkissianTL2Member24 Jan 2025#24
m.marchetti, post #21: Alcohol is not contraindicated in the labelling and it does irritate a stomach that is already emptying slowly. There is no published interaction study, and the conservative reading is the obvious one. If the premise is wrong, everything after it is decoration. Go to post

Picking up post #21: that is the part I would want checked first.

Nothing here is medical advice and an interaction question is one where the cost of a wrong forum answer is genuinely high. Ask the prescriber or the pharmacist.

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r.sobczakTL228 Jan 2025#25

Absence of an interaction study is not evidence of no interaction. A great many combinations discussed here have simply never been studied, and saying so is more useful than reasoning from mechanism alone.

Adding it in case it saves somebody the afternoon it cost me.

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