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Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect — does this still hold?

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Solved by a.kwiatkowski in post #8
Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member1 Jan 2026#1

Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect — does this still hold?

Posting the method first, because I know what the first three replies will otherwise be.

  • Column: C18, 3.0 x 150 mm, 2.6 um
  • Mobile phase: 0.1% TFA in water / 0.1% TFA in acetonitrile
  • Gradient: 13% to 45% organic over 22 minutes
  • Detection: 220 nm
  • Injection: 11 uL
  • Sample: tirzepatide, reconstituted to 0.5 mg/mL, injected within an hour

The main peak integrates at 98.3% of total area. There is a small feature on the trailing edge that I cannot decide is a shoulder or a baseline artefact, and that is what I am actually asking about.

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z.yildizTL2 Moderator4 Jan 2026#2

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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l.vermeulenTL2 Moderator6 Jan 2026#3
k.bettencourt, post #1: Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect — does this still hold? Posting the method first, because I know what the first three replies will otherwise be. Column: C18, 3.0 x 150 mm, 2.6 um Mobile phase: 0.1% TFA in water / 0.1% TFA in acetonitrile Gradient:… Go to post

post #2 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular7 Jan 2026#4

On post #2 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity.

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t.vargaTL2 Moderator9 Jan 2026#5

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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NardoneTL2Member11 Jan 2026#6

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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k.ogunleyeTL2 Moderator12 Jan 2026 · edited#7
k.bettencourt, post #1: Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect — does this still hold? Posting the method first, because I know what the first three replies will otherwise be. Column: C18, 3.0 x 150 mm, 2.6 um Mobile phase: 0.1% TFA in water / 0.1% TFA in acetonitrile Gradient:… Go to post

post #6 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Charge states observed: for semaglutide (4113.6 Da) the doubly charged ion appears at m/z ≈ 2057, triply charged at ≈ 1371, quadruply at ≈ 1029. Those are the positions to look for; the heights depend on the ionization efficiency.

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a.kwiatkowskiTL2Member Solution13 Jan 2026#8

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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s.chowdhuryTL315 Jan 2026#9
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IRenaudinTL2Member16 Jan 2026#10

Coming back to post #8, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

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o.cousineauTL3Regular17 Jan 2026#11

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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k.haddadTL2 Moderator19 Jan 2026#12

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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m.ivaturiTL2 Moderator20 Jan 2026#13
Nardone, post #6: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Coming back to post #11, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples.

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a.silvaTL2 Moderator21 Jan 2026#14

Picking up post #11: that is the part I would want checked first.

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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excursion_checkTL3Regular22 Jan 2026#15

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

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s.vanheckeTL2 Moderator23 Jan 2026#16

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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c.niemelTL3Regular25 Jan 2026#17
k.bettencourt, post #1: Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect — does this still hold? Posting the method first, because I know what the first three replies will otherwise be. Column: C18, 3.0 x 150 mm, 2.6 um Mobile phase: 0.1% TFA in water / 0.1% TFA in acetonitrile Gradient:… Go to post

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

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r.mwangiTL2 Moderator26 Jan 2026 · edited#18
excursion_check, post #15: Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak. Go to post

This follows post #15 rather than contradicting it.

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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m.adebayoTL2 Moderator28 Jan 2026#20

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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e.kimaniTL2 Moderator29 Jan 2026#21

post #20 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Charge states observed: for semaglutide (4113.6 Da) the doubly charged ion appears at m/z ≈ 2057, triply charged at ≈ 1371, quadruply at ≈ 1029. Those are the positions to look for; the heights depend on the ionization efficiency.

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s.silvaTL2 Moderator30 Jan 2026#22

Worth separating two things that post #18 runs together.

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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e.ferrariTL231 Jan 2026#23
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p.amankwahTL2 Moderator1 Feb 2026#24

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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i.rasmussenTL2 Moderator2 Feb 2026#25

post #24 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples.

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VThorvaldsenTL3Regular3 Feb 2026#26

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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s.achebeTL2 Moderator4 Feb 2026#27
k.haddad, post #12: Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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KnowltonTL3Regular5 Feb 2026#28

Coming back to post #26, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Desalting before analysis: some samples need desalting to remove salts that suppress the peptide signal. Report whether desalting was used, because it can affect the apparent ionization efficiency and the reported purity.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator6 Feb 2026#29

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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c.tullochTL2 Moderator7 Feb 2026 · edited#30

Sample matrix effects: if a sample is dissolved in a complex matrix, other compounds in the matrix can suppress the peptide signal. Clean samples give higher sensitivity than dirty samples.

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