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Micronutrient adequacy at low total intake — does this still hold?

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Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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r.coelhoTL2 Moderator2 Oct 2025#1

Micronutrient adequacy at low total intake — does this still hold? — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked.

Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement.

Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 24 weeks. I have also recorded protein intake and resistance-training sessions, both self-reported and both therefore optimistic.

The reason I am posting is a pattern in the middle of the series that I cannot explain and that I suspect is measurement rather than signal.

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r.erdoganTL2 Moderator3 Oct 2025#2

On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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dietitian_hollisTL3Dietitian3 Oct 2025#3
r.erdogan, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite. Go to post

Picking up post #2: that is the part I would want checked first.

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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b.kowalskiTL2 Moderator Solution4 Oct 2025 · edited#4
r.coelho, post #1: Micronutrient adequacy at low total intake — does this still hold? — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 24 weeks. I have also recorded… Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular4 Oct 2025#5

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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n.cabreraTL2 Moderator4 Oct 2025#6

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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steady_stateTL3Regular4 Oct 2025#7
e.ferreira, post #5: Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point. Go to post

This follows post #4 rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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i.boatengTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2025#8

I read post #6 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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r.danquahTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2025#9
r.coelho, post #1: Micronutrient adequacy at low total intake — does this still hold? — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked. Longitudinal report with the method stated, because a number without a method is not a measurement. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions, 24 weeks. I have also recorded… Go to post

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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k.fonsecaTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2025#10

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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n.lehtinenTL2 Moderator5 Oct 2025#11

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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l.dziedzicTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2025 · edited#12
e.ferreira, post #5: Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point. Go to post

Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most.

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n.rahimiTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2025#13

On post #9 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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p.amankwahTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2025#14

post #13 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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d.oyelaranTL3Pharmacist6 Oct 2025#15

I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Protein sources: animal sources (meat, fish, eggs, dairy) are denser and easier to hit targets with. Plant sources require higher volume. Neither is nutritionally superior; volume and personal preference matter.

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c.tullochTL2 Moderator6 Oct 2025#16

Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator7 Oct 2025#17
r.erdogan, post #2: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite. Go to post

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

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a.ibarraTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2025#18

post #17 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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s.achebeTL2 Moderator7 Oct 2025#19
c.tulloch, post #16: Eating anything at all: on substantial appetite suppression, eating enough total calories to maintain lean mass is the priority. Protein comes second to total intake. Go to post

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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VThorvaldsenTL3Regular7 Oct 2025#20
l.dziedzic, post #12: Leucine and MPS: leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis at a threshold of roughly 2 to 3 grams per meal. That influences how much protein per meal matters, but total daily protein still matters most. Go to post

Picking up post #17: that is the part I would want checked first.

Protein supplements: whey, casein, and plant-based protein powders can help hit targets when whole-food intake is limited by appetite. Protein quality (all essential amino acids) matters more than form.

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revision_historyTL3Wiki editor7 Oct 2025 · edited#21

Picking up post #18: that is the part I would want checked first.

Liquid versus solid: protein in liquid form (shakes) is easier to consume in volume but might not be as satiating as solid food. Using both together can help.

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j.ivaturiTL2 Moderator8 Oct 2025#22

Coming back to post #20, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

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microgramsTL28 Oct 2025#23
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a.adeyemiTL2 Moderator8 Oct 2025#24
n.lehtinen, post #11: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular8 Oct 2025#25

Protein targets during weight loss: the standard recommendation is 1.6 to 2.2 grams per kilogram of body weight. Individual requirements vary but that range is a reasonable starting point.

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m.radichTL2 Moderator8 Oct 2025#26

I read post #24 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Timing of protein: spreading protein intake across the day, with some at each meal, is more practical than trying to hit the whole target at one sitting on suppressed appetite.

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