The Peptide CommonsEst. May 2024
Independent. We sell nothing and are affiliated with no manufacturer or pharmacy. Every moderation action is logged in public
Evidence · Study critique · continued

[2026 update] Confounding by indication, explained with a concrete example posts 91–117

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

LS
l.sarkissianTL2Member27 Feb 2026#91

What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.

0 likes 5mo
CN
c.nybergTL2 Moderator27 Feb 2026#92
b.wikstrom, post #26: Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement. Go to post

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

1 like in reply to #26 5mo
P
PWendelboeTL1Member27 Feb 2026#93

This follows post #90 rather than contradicting it.

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

10 likes 5mo
AW
ai.wikstromTL2 Moderator28 Feb 2026#94

Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null.

22 likes 5mo
EA
e.almeidaTL2Member28 Feb 2026#95
buffer_margin, post #90: Criticise the method, not the author: a paper with a weak design is not a bad paper by someone with bad intentions. It is a paper that answers a limited question. Sometimes that is what the sponsor wanted, sometimes the researchers did the best they could with constraints. Go to post

Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question.

0 likes in reply to #90 5mo
NR
n.ramosTL2 Moderator28 Feb 2026#96
Lundqvist, post #17: Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

3 likes in reply to #17 5mo
I
IHollingworthTL2Member1 Mar 2026 · edited#97

Picking up post #94: that is the part I would want checked first.

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

15 likes 5mo
TM
t.marchettiTL2 Moderator1 Mar 2026#98

Coming back to post #96, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.

30 likes 5mo
IS
isotonic_sheetTL3Regular1 Mar 2026#99

post #98 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

1 like 5mo
NK
ni.kravchenkoTL22 Mar 2026#100
IL
integrator_logTL32 Mar 2026#101
SS
s.salgadoTL2 Moderator2 Mar 2026#102
buffer_margin, post #90: Criticise the method, not the author: a paper with a weak design is not a bad paper by someone with bad intentions. It is a paper that answers a limited question. Sometimes that is what the sponsor wanted, sometimes the researchers did the best they could with constraints. Go to post

When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.

13 likes in reply to #90 5mo
VT
vial_tableTL2Member2 Mar 2026#103
DOdendaal, post #23: Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing. The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough. Go to post

Picking up post #100: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

27 likes in reply to #23 5mo
DV
d.vestergaardTL2 Moderator3 Mar 2026#104

Coming back to post #102, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Publication bias: a single published positive trial is weaker evidence than multiple published trials with consistent results. Asking whether there are unpublished negative trials is a fair critical question.

0 likes 5mo
BE
bench_entryTL3Regular3 Mar 2026#105

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

8 likes 5mo
BF
b.friskTL2 Moderator3 Mar 2026#106
j.baptista, post #83: Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive. Go to post

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

19 likes in reply to #83 5mo
BS
buffer_sheetTL3Regular4 Mar 2026 · edited#107

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

0 likes 5mo
FL
f.lindholmTL2 Moderator4 Mar 2026#108

I read post #106 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Bias towards the null and bias away from the null: different criticisms have different directions. Differential dropout might bias away from null; conservative statistical analysis might bias toward null.

0 likes 5mo
CC
crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor4 Mar 2026#109

post #108 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

0 likes 5mo
JF
j.falkTL25 Mar 2026#110
AW
a.westergaardTL3Regular5 Mar 2026#111

Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

1 like 5mo
SO
sa.okonkwoTL2 Moderator5 Mar 2026#112
j.palacios, post #35: Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter. Go to post

What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger.

0 likes in reply to #35 5mo
JD
j.delacroixTL3Regular5 Mar 2026#113

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

25 likes 5mo
RM
ra.mensaTL2 Moderator6 Mar 2026#114

post #113 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

12 likes 5mo
M
MSaarinenTL3Regular6 Mar 2026#115

Choosing the worst interpretation: "The confidence interval includes a harmful effect" is true if the CI goes from -1 to +5. But assuming the worst-case scenario is not how you use the evidence. The point estimate and the precision both matter.

4 likes 5mo
BB
b.brandtTL2 Moderator6 Mar 2026#116
a.jansen, post #49: What makes a methodological criticism substantive: it identifies a specific feature of the design that materially affects what the paper can conclude. "Small sample size" alone is weak. "Small sample size for a rare outcome, so the confidence interval is wide" is stronger. Go to post

When you change your mind: if a reply convinces you that your criticism was not well-founded, say so plainly. The critique might still be real but smaller than you originally thought. That is not a failure — it is how discussion works.

0 likes in reply to #49 5mo
DM
d.magalhesTL2Member7 Mar 2026 · edited#117
KForsberg, post #11: post #10 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement. Go to post

On post #113 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement.

0 likes in reply to #11 5mo

Suggested topics

TopicParticipantsRepliesViewsActivity
A well-designed study with a badly written abstract
Posting this under the heading it deserves: A well-designed study with a badly written abstract Everything below is what sits behind that. Comparing SCALE ( N Engl J Med , 2015) with LEADER ( N Engl J Med ,…
RCMICBMRPN+117 128 7.2k 14mo
Coming back to: Measurement error in a self-reported exposure
Measurement error in a self-reported exposure — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. I have seen FLOW ( N Engl J Med , 2024) cited in support of a claim I do not think it…
LARNOAKACD+23 27 49k 3mo
A structured critique template this community uses — a second dataset
On the subject in the title: A structured critique template this community uses — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion. Session topic: SELECT ( N Engl J Med , 2023). Please read it before…
PRFLKBACAW+47 51 16k 15h
Coming back to: A critique that turned out to be unfair, retracted by its author
A critique that turned out to be unfair, retracted by its author — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. I have seen STEP 4 ( JAMA , 2021) cited in support of a claim I do not…
IAQLJB 2 1.3k 14mo
Immortal time bias in a claims-database study — one year on
Posting this under the heading it deserves: Immortal time bias in a claims-database study — one year on Everything below is what sits behind that. Comparing SURPASS-2 ( N Engl J Med , 2021) with SURMOUNT-1 (…
VMDMMGRPT+41 46 3.7k 22h

Related topics — sharing the tags observational data, disputed, risk of bias

TopicParticipantsRepliesViewsActivity
Journal club: SUSTAIN 6 and its retinopathy signal
On the subject in the title: Journal club: SUSTAIN 6 and its retinopathy signal Working notes rather than a conclusion. I have seen SELECT ( N Engl J Med , 2023) cited in support of a claim I do not think it…
LAMRZHOJI+110 122 46k 1d
The "under review" status pill and when a moderator applies it — a second dataset
The "under review" status pill and when a moderator applies it — a second dataset Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. I have seen SURPASS-4 ( Lancet , 2021)…
LVARMISLPM+50 54 1.4k 11mo
Secretagogues and glucose tolerance: the mechanistic concern — what changed since
Secretagogues and glucose tolerance: the mechanistic concern — what changed since Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. I have seen STEP 1 ( N Engl J Med , 2021)…
TLDKAIEF+2 6 31k 2mo
Journal club: SUSTAIN 6 and its retinopathy signal — does this still hold?
The question in the title: Journal club: SUSTAIN 6 and its retinopathy signal — does this still hold? I will give what I have already checked below so nobody repeats it. I have seen SURMOUNT-2 ( Lancet ,…
RONSPPSDOB+60 66 12k 16mo
Revisiting: Filing a first vendor report: a worked example
On the subject in the title: Revisiting: Filing a first vendor report: a worked example Working notes rather than a conclusion. Structured report rather than an opinion, following the format the maintainers…
RSMRCI 2 60k 11mo