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Correlation in a self-tracked dataset: what it can support posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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f.rasmussenTL2 Moderator21 Aug 2024#31

post #30 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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policy_readerTL2Regular21 Aug 2024#32

On post #28 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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e.adeyemiTL2 Moderator21 Aug 2024#33

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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g.tanakaTL3Regular21 Aug 2024#34
n.kuusela, post #8: Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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no.silvaTL2 Moderator21 Aug 2024 · edited#35
sharps_bin, post #16: Coming back to post #14, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters. Go to post

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner21 Aug 2024#36

Worth separating two things that post #32 runs together.

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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m.vukovicTL2 Moderator21 Aug 2024#37

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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m.dalgaardTL3Regular21 Aug 2024#38

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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m.onwukaTL2 Moderator21 Aug 2024#39
g.pemberton_uk, post #30: P-values and significance: p Go to post

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator21 Aug 2024#40

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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k.agyemanTL2 Moderator21 Aug 2024 · edited#41
f.yildiz, post #27: Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed. Go to post

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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n.torrenceTL3Regular21 Aug 2024#42
j.restrepo, post #19: Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed. Go to post

post #41 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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b.restrepoTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#43

Coming back to post #41, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular22 Aug 2024#44

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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j.hartmannTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#45

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular22 Aug 2024#46
sharps_bin, post #16: Coming back to post #14, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters. Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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i.coelhoTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#47

I read post #45 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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d.petrescuTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#48

This follows post #45 rather than contradicting it.

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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k.okaforTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#49
n.hartmann, post #23: Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics. Go to post

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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BBramleyTL3Regular22 Aug 2024#50

P-values and significance: p<0.05 means the data would be surprising if the null hypothesis were true, not that the null hypothesis is false. A non-significant p-value does not mean "no effect".

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r.sobczakTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#51

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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e.almeidaTL222 Aug 2024#52
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p.trevinoTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#53

post #52 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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RodriguesTL3Regular22 Aug 2024#54
vial_slope, post #22: This follows post #19 rather than contradicting it. Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction. Go to post

On post #50 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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h.brandtTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024#55
owen.brady, post #40: Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p Go to post

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular22 Aug 2024#56

I read post #54 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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k.pereiraTL2 Moderator22 Aug 2024 · edited#57

post #56 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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r.venkatesanTL3Wiki editor22 Aug 2024#58
g.pemberton_uk, post #30: P-values and significance: p Go to post

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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ai.wikstromTL222 Aug 2024#59
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t.steenkampTL2Member22 Aug 2024#60

Coming back to post #58, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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