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Correlation in a self-tracked dataset: what it can support posts 91–120

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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ra.mensaTL2 Moderator23 Aug 2024#91

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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j.delacroixTL324 Aug 2024#92
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a.coelhoTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#93
i.boateng, post #15: Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation. Go to post

post #92 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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cohort_watchTL2Member24 Aug 2024#94

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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d.yilmazTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#95

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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m.lindqvistTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#96

Practical note that does not fit anywhere else. Whatever you conclude from this topic, write down what you did and when. The single most useful thing in your own records is not any individual result; it is that they are dated and consecutive.

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sa.okonkwoTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#97
g.tamm, post #6: Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation. Go to post

post #96 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular24 Aug 2024#98

On post #94 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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a.villalobosTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#99

This follows post #96 rather than contradicting it.

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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DSakamotoTL3Regular24 Aug 2024#100
e.kuipers, post #4: Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction. Go to post

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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i.brobergTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#101

This follows post #98 rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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KnowltonTL3Regular24 Aug 2024#102

P-values and significance: p<0.05 means the data would be surprising if the null hypothesis were true, not that the null hypothesis is false. A non-significant p-value does not mean "no effect".

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i.rasmussenTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#103
TL4_Halvorsen, post #66: This follows post #63 rather than contradicting it. Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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VThorvaldsenTL3Regular24 Aug 2024 · edited#104
t.ndiaye, post #90: post #89 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #100 runs together.

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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e.krastevTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#105

Picking up post #102: that is the part I would want checked first.

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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MSaarinenTL3Regular24 Aug 2024#106

Coming back to post #104, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

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e.tammTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#107

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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s.poulsenTL3Regular24 Aug 2024#108
m.ibarra, post #82: Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics. Go to post

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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n.lehtinenTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#109
buffer_margin, post #44: Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction. Go to post

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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a.ibarraTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#110

I read post #108 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician24 Aug 2024#111
n.kuusela, post #8: Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude. Go to post

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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e.iyerTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#112

post #111 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular24 Aug 2024#113

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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s.grimaldiTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#114
j.hartmann, post #45: Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed. Go to post

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular24 Aug 2024#115
a.ibarra, post #110: I read post #108 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics. Go to post

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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r.bruunTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024 · edited#116

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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s.chowdhuryTL324 Aug 2024#117
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m.radichTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#118

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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k.radichTL2 Moderator24 Aug 2024#119

Worth separating two things that post #115 runs together.

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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h.mbekiTL2 Moderator25 Aug 2024#120

P-values and significance: p<0.05 means the data would be surprising if the null hypothesis were true, not that the null hypothesis is false. A non-significant p-value does not mean "no effect".

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