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Correlation in a self-tracked dataset: what it can support posts 151–167

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OFalkenbergTL1Member26 Aug 2024#151

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

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b.adeyemiTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#152

post #151 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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FFaulknerTL3Regular26 Aug 2024#153
ra.mensa, post #91: Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted. Go to post

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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v.okonkwoTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024 · edited#154

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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NLoughranTL3Regular26 Aug 2024#155

Worth separating two things that post #151 runs together.

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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m.amankwahTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#156

post #155 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation.

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IMainwaringTL3Regular26 Aug 2024#157
n.lehtinen, post #109: Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot. Go to post

Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed.

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i.beaulieuTL226 Aug 2024#158
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ThibodeauTL3Regular26 Aug 2024 · edited#159

On post #155 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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f.chowdhuryTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#160

Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude.

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l.vermeulenTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#161
OFalkenberg, post #151: Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics. Go to post

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular26 Aug 2024#162

Effect sizes: the magnitude of a difference, not just whether it is statistically significant. A difference that is significant (p<0.05) might be too small to matter. A large effect might not be significant if sample size is small.

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l.lundgrenTL226 Aug 2024#163
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TamburelloTL2Member26 Aug 2024 · edited#164

I read post #162 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Multiplicity and multiple comparisons: if you test many hypotheses, the chance of finding a false positive by random chance increases. That is why pre-specifying the primary hypothesis matters.

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n.kaufmannTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#165
n.kuusela, post #8: Power and sample size: a study might be too small to detect a real effect (low power). Sample size calculations help determine how many participants are needed to detect an effect of a given magnitude. Go to post

Number needed to treat: how many people need to be treated to prevent one bad outcome or achieve one good outcome. More intuitive than relative risk reduction.

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a.kwiatkowskiTL2Member26 Aug 2024#166
j.hartmann, post #45: Absence of evidence and evidence of absence: if a study is small and finds no effect, that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. A larger study might find an effect that a small study missed. Go to post

Two things before anyone answers the substance.

First, the context in the first post is clear and specific. Second, the question is framed so that an answer can actually address it. Both are the norm here and both matter more than they sound.

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t.vargaTL2 Moderator26 Aug 2024#167

Picking up post #164: that is the part I would want checked first.

Confounding: a third variable explains an apparent association. In randomised data, randomisation balances confounders. In observational data, confounders can be adjusted for but unknown ones cannot.

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