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Circumference measurements as a poor man's composition estimate posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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c.inglethorpeTL3Regular31 Jul 2024 · edited#31
a.cardoso, post #17: Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone. Go to post

DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on different machines tell you about the machines.

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r.molnarTL2 Moderator31 Jul 2024#32
a.finnegan_rd, post #10: Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method. Go to post

Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?"

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ThibodeauTL3Regular1 Aug 2024#33

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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f.chowdhuryTL2 Moderator1 Aug 2024#34

Picking up post #31: that is the part I would want checked first.

Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition.

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m.eriksenTL2 Moderator2 Aug 2024#35

Maintenance phase: tracking body composition during maintenance (weight stable) is different from tracking during active loss. Changes are smaller and precision becomes more important.

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m.restrepoTL2 Moderator2 Aug 2024#36
a.norgaard, post #15: I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on… Go to post

Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently.

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l.piresTL2 Moderator2 Aug 2024#37

I read post #35 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass.

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m.ekstromTL2 Moderator3 Aug 2024#38

This follows post #35 rather than contradicting it.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up.

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l.solbergTL2 Moderator3 Aug 2024#39

On post #35 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Maintenance phase: tracking body composition during maintenance (weight stable) is different from tracking during active loss. Changes are smaller and precision becomes more important.

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h.mensahTL2 Moderator4 Aug 2024 · edited#40
c.inglethorpe, post #31: DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on different machines tell you about the machines. Go to post

post #39 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition.

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z.okonkwoTL2 Moderator4 Aug 2024 · edited#41
v.nascimento, post #29: Picking up post #26: that is the part I would want checked first. Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong. Go to post

post #40 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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system_suitabilityTL3Analytical chemist4 Aug 2024#42
m.ekstrom, post #38: This follows post #35 rather than contradicting it. Thank you for the correction. I have edited my earlier post with a note rather than silently, so the thread still makes sense to read. The error was mine and it was the kind that comes from remembering a figure instead of looking it up. Go to post

On post #38 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

DXA (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry): the standard for body composition in research. Precision is roughly ±1 kg for lean mass. Two scans six months apart on the same machine with the same technician give you useful information. Two scans six weeks apart on different machines tell you about the machines.

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j.moreauTL2 Moderator5 Aug 2024#43

Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method.

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k.otieno_statsTL3Statistician5 Aug 2024#44

Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?"

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va.baptistaTL2 Moderator6 Aug 2024#45
m.restrepo, post #36: Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently. Go to post

post #44 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator6 Aug 2024#46

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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j.asanteTL2 Moderator7 Aug 2024#47

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist7 Aug 2024#48

I read post #46 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure.

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r.nakamuraTL2 Moderator7 Aug 2024#49

Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently.

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dexa_twice_yearlyTL3Regular8 Aug 2024#50
IHollingworth, post #20: Picking up post #17: that is the part I would want checked first. Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass. Go to post

Ultrasound: thickness of subcutaneous fat at specific sites. Less standardised than DXA and operator-dependent. Useful as a supplementary measure but not as a primary method.

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batchlogTL3Regular8 Aug 2024#51

Lean mass loss during rapid weight reduction: depends on protein intake, resistance training volume, and total energy deficit. Adequate protein and maintaining training intensity both help preserve lean mass.

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m.steinerTL2 Moderator9 Aug 2024 · edited#52

Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?"

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician9 Aug 2024#53
a.vermeulen, post #7: Precision versus accuracy: the precision you need depends on what question you are answering. "Am I losing fat?" requires less precision than "Is my lean mass preservation within the expected range?" Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #49 runs together.

Changes during titration: measuring body composition during active titration is less useful than measuring after dose is stable. Titration causes fluid shifts that confound body composition.

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s.ostergaardTL2 Moderator9 Aug 2024#54

I disagree with the reply above, and I think the disagreement is substantive rather than terminological.

The distinction being drawn does not survive when you look at the published data for this specific question. I would be glad to be shown wrong on this, because the version I am arguing against is more convenient.

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impurity_tableTL3Analytical chemist10 Aug 2024#55

Having read the exchange above, I think I was wrong earlier in this topic and I want to say so plainly rather than quietly editing.

The correction was fair and I had been repeating something I had not checked carefully enough.

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i.norgaardTL2 Moderator10 Aug 2024#56
j.petrov, post #25: Bioelectric impedance analysis: less precise than DXA and strongly affected by hydration state. Not reliable for detecting month-to-month changes. Useful for trend over years if done consistently. Go to post

Picking up post #53: that is the part I would want checked first.

Comparison to published data: the trials reported mean fat and lean mass changes. Individual results vary around that mean. Being above or below average is not a sign of something wrong.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist11 Aug 2024#57

Maintenance phase: tracking body composition during maintenance (weight stable) is different from tracking during active loss. Changes are smaller and precision becomes more important.

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n.laurentTL2 Moderator11 Aug 2024#58

Resting metabolic rate: body composition affects metabolic rate. As fat mass decreases and lean mass is maintained, metabolic rate is usually maintained better than with simple weight loss alone.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular11 Aug 2024 · edited#59

I read post #57 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Visceral fat: DXA does not distinguish visceral (organ-associated) fat from subcutaneous fat. That distinction might matter but requires different imaging to measure.

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j.sandvikTL2 Moderator12 Aug 2024#60

This follows post #57 rather than contradicting it.

For anyone arriving from a search: the marked solution above is the direct answer, and the replies underneath it add the caveats that make it safe to use.

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